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Post by markperry on Jan 7, 2023 0:21:49 GMT
About colourisation: Gareth Randall rightly points out - as did Steve Roberts some time back - that B&W is no longer viable for the general audience that BBC tv actually aims at. Only the impotent are pure. I often wonder if it's better to advise the user for b&w to simply turn the color off rather than need a disc for each color. |
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Post by mattbarker on Jan 7, 2023 12:15:21 GMT
You'd think Dalek Master Plan would be more commercially viable as animation. Would be nice to have the original six part version as an alternative as well. I was fascinated by the sound of it in the Missing Episodes podcast - taught and grim :-)
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Post by John Wall on Jan 7, 2023 15:23:30 GMT
You'd think Dalek Master Plan would be more commercially viable as animation. Would be nice to have the original six part version as an alternative as well. I was fascinated by the sound of it in the Missing Episodes podcast - taught and grim :-) It’s the cost per episode.Additionally I understand that some of the audios aren’t brilliant. |
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jan 7, 2023 19:09:20 GMT
You'd think Dalek Master Plan would be more commercially viable as animation. Would be nice to have the original six part version as an alternative as well. I was fascinated by the sound of it in the Missing Episodes podcast - taught and grim :-) My thoughts exactly Matt!A stand-alone boxset of this epic serial would make a superb 60th anniversary release.Even if there was no anniversary,it would make a very special addition to the animated/bluray range.But I understand that before anything like this is even mooted,so much research,copyright clearance and remastering would need to occur-and not to mention the cost and number of discs that a release like this would entail. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 7, 2023 19:41:47 GMT
You'd think Dalek Master Plan would be more commercially viable as animation. Would be nice to have the original six part version as an alternative as well. I was fascinated by the sound of it in the Missing Episodes podcast - taught and grim :-) My thoughts exactly Matt!A stand-alone boxset of this epic serial would make a superb 60th anniversary release.Even if there was no anniversary,it would make a very special addition to the animated/bluray range.But I understand that before anything like this is even mooted,so much research,copyright clearance and remastering would need to occur-and not to mention the cost and number of discs that a release like this would entail. Eleven, twelve or thirteen animated episodes - depending upon what you do - probably wouldn’t take up a lot of discs as the frame rate is probably less than video. |
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Post by TSmith on Jan 7, 2023 22:11:44 GMT
On the subject of DMP Animation, I’d happily just buy a release that animated only the missing episodes (obviously including the existing eps and what footage exists).
I don’t really see the point of animating the episodes we already have given the already stringent time and money constraints.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 8, 2023 0:30:08 GMT
On the subject of DMP Animation, I’d happily just buy a release that animated only the missing episodes (obviously including the existing eps and what footage exists). I don’t really see the point of animating the episodes we already have given the already stringent time and money constraints. I’m with you on that - but there are only three surviving episodes. With things like Faceless Ones I watch the real episodes where they survive. But none of us are plugged into the information as to what potential purchasers want- and then there are the audios. |
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Post by mattbarker on Jan 8, 2023 8:50:49 GMT
Still seems odd to animate a minimum of 6 episodes from two stories (Smugglers and Menace) that won't mean anything to the general public, when you can animate 9 episodes of a story that has dalek in the title. More salable :-)
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Post by mattg on Jan 8, 2023 9:27:06 GMT
Still seems odd to animate a minimum of 6 episodes from two stories (Smugglers and Menace) that won't mean anything to the general public, when you can animate 9 episodes of a story that has dalek in the title. More salable :-) The Beeb could also do what Target did back in the day via their novelisation and split DMP into two parts/books. After hypothetically releasing the first six episodes the remainder could follow a year later. This strategy would obviously give the overworked animators a respite whilst making more economical use of whatever budget (allocated annually or by project…?) is available. Wishful thinking aside though DMP will likely remain an impractical candidate for animation by dint of the sheer amount of characters this twelve episode epic incorporates: convicts, alien delegates, space security personnel, vengeful monks, ancient Egyptians, etc, etc. It’s not so much the story’s protracted length making DMP unviable back but rather it’s bloated cast! |
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Post by RhysH on Jan 8, 2023 10:46:20 GMT
Still seems odd to animate a minimum of 6 episodes from two stories (Smugglers and Menace) that won't mean anything to the general public, when you can animate 9 episodes of a story that has dalek in the title. More salable :-) The Beeb could also do what Target did back in the day via their novelisation and split DMP into two parts/books. After hypothetically releasing the first six episodes the remainder could follow a year later. This strategy would obviously give the overworked animators a respite whilst making more economical use of whatever budget (allocated annually or by project…?) is available. Wishful thinking aside though DMP will likely remain an impractical candidate for animation by dint of the sheer amount of characters this twelve episode epic incorporates: convicts, alien delegates, space security personnel, vengeful monks, ancient Egyptians, etc, etc. It’s not so much the story’s protracted length making DMP unviable back but rather it’s bloated cast! Totally agree - makes sense to split it up like that with it being such a mammoth amount of episodes. |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 8, 2023 16:19:48 GMT
Still seems odd to animate a minimum of 6 episodes from two stories (Smugglers and Menace) that won't mean anything to the general public, when you can animate 9 episodes of a story that has dalek in the title. More salable :-)
Because the general public aren't going to buy it. It's a niche product with a limited audience. The word "Dalek" isn't going to magically produce enough DVD sales to cover a 7 figure budget.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 8, 2023 17:25:55 GMT
The Beeb could also do what Target did back in the day via their novelisation and split DMP into two parts/books. After hypothetically releasing the first six episodes the remainder could follow a year later. This strategy would obviously give the overworked animators a respite whilst making more economical use of whatever budget (allocated annually or by project…?) is available. Wishful thinking aside though DMP will likely remain an impractical candidate for animation by dint of the sheer amount of characters this twelve episode epic incorporates: convicts, alien delegates, space security personnel, vengeful monks, ancient Egyptians, etc, etc. It’s not so much the story’s protracted length making DMP unviable back but rather it’s bloated cast! Totally agree - makes sense to split it up like that with it being such a mammoth amount of episodes. I’d suspect the budget would go further with a bulk purchase, put a team together and get economies of scale. What happens if the first half of the story were to be animated - assuming sufficiently good audios could be sorted out - but sales were poor? It could well kill off - dare I say “exterminate”? - animations permanently. Unless a few more episodes turn up - probably unlikely but not impossible - I suggest a lottery ticket or fairy godfather/mother. To me the obvious candidate is Wheel; big monsters with easy to animate faces, relatively few sets and two existing episodes. Then there are opportunities for box sets - e.g. B&W Cybermen - and, of course, the Season Five BluRay set. |
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Post by markperry on Jan 8, 2023 22:03:42 GMT
I don't mind going for the lesser profile stories first besides its too easy to be sucked into doing the big sellers first cos ultimately you gonna have to get to those lesser stories sometime.
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Post by barneyhall on Jan 8, 2023 23:54:21 GMT
On the subject of DMP Animation, I’d happily just buy a release that animated only the missing episodes (obviously including the existing eps and what footage exists). I don’t really see the point of animating the episodes we already have given the already stringent time and money constraints. I'd happily buy a release where they only animated what was missing. The only reason they did the full animations before is they were broadcast in America hence why bbcA put up a chunk of the money. Its also why they made them in colour. In all honesty they weren't made for us we are the by product hence why they included the option to watch in black and white with the original stories. Someone mentioned reducing the cost by excluding the black and white disk....the blu ray disk costs pence on this scale and doing a greyscale pallet swap would take seconds in the editing software, although it would then need to be reviewed to make sure nothing crazy had translated badly in the colour transfer. No the bulk of the cost is in the inittal production. In what form future animation projects take will depend if they are just for us to release on blu ray to plug a gap, then we will likely get just the missing eps in black and white.if disney want them doing to add to disney+ to be able to boast a complete who archive there's a good chance you'll get full colour recreations of all episodes similar to the last few projects. |
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Post by tom rogers on Jan 9, 2023 2:16:01 GMT
On the subject of DMP Animation, I’d happily just buy a release that animated only the missing episodes (obviously including the existing eps and what footage exists). I don’t really see the point of animating the episodes we already have given the already stringent time and money constraints. I'd happily buy a release where they only animated what was missing. <snip> Me, too. Very happily. |
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