The Abominable Snowmen dvd/blu ray release

[George D]

Sept 7, 2022 23:10:25 GMT John Wall said:

[What’s a years salary for an animator?

To us? Priceless... but.
www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Computer-Animation-Salary

www.zippia.com/computer-animator-jobs/salary/

[John Wall]

Sept 7, 2022 23:21:30 GMT George D said:

Sept 7, 2022 23:10:25 GMT John Wall said:

[What’s a years salary for an animator?

To us? Priceless... but.
www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Computer-Animation-Salary

www.zippia.com/computer-animator-jobs/salary/

Remember that the customer has to pay the full economic cost which could be three, four or five times the salary.

[emjayf]

Hi all, I just started watching the new Abominable Snowmen DVD - 2 episodes in. I remember on The Lost In Time set they spoke about the audio in the one existing episode going blank at one moment. It was when The Doctor say "You were right about one thing Jamie". They also found the gap there on off air recordings too. So they mentioned that they had filled the gap with clips of Troughton saying those words from other stories. Now back then it did sound a little awkward but on this new animation it sounded a lot smoother. Does anyone know if that is because we have better software now to improve it or did they find better audio?

Really impressed so far. It looks very like Tibet and not like Wales!

Cheers
MJ

[George D]

So far i loved the restoration of episode 2. Can't believe how beautiful the footage looks.

The animation is b level. I think the models for the main characters (likely developed from other animation) looks great.

The abbott does not look like abbot to me..i would not recognize him except by his hat

Other characters its too soon for me to comment as ive only started viewing

[kurt devery]

Mine is an Xmas present. But just curious is it like other release were you can watch all the black and white animation or original episode 2 and all the other animated episodes on the play all function. Thanks in advance for any replies

[barneyhall]

Sept 9, 2022 17:46:47 GMT kurt devery said:

Mine is an Xmas present. But just curious is it like other release were you can watch all the black and white animation or original episode 2 and all the other animated episodes on the play all function. Thanks in advance for any replies

Yep on disk one (black and white disk) when you select play all it asks yo play all animations or ay with existing ep 2 which is how I watched it. Got a freind coming over tomorrow to watch the colour one so can't comment about that yet.

[kurt devery]

Thanks very much Barney

[George D]

For whatever reason, they made most of the main characters bald.

Also Padmasambhava looks like a blob

Apparently the modeling of the characters new to the story didn't get as much effort as preferred.

No wonder they don't look right.

[Jaspal Cheema]

Sept 9, 2022 22:42:41 GMT George D said:

For whatever reason, they made most of the main characters bald.

Also Padmasambhava looks like a blob

Apparently the modeling of the characters new to the story didn't get as much effort as preferred.

No wonder they don't look right.

You're right George,I was thinking the same thing. The likenesses could have done with more time and attention to detail. The past animations seem to have got the facial features of the extras spot-on.

[George D]

The models of the dr, jamie, and Victoria look great. However, since those characters were in previous animations I'm curious if they used the same models. I'm all for saving cost if they had developed good models but I'm not sure how much that should be viewed as part of this animation effort.

I also understand it can take a lot of work to make good looking models but if the characters had hair and they make them bald, it makes me wonder if they actually tried to make the characters look accurate. It appeared as if they used generic tibetian model faces uncaringly.

If the main models were already done, in theory, that should have given them more time to make the story specific characters accurate.

I could not go from the real episode 2 to the animation because people didn't look the same. What i had to do is have the lc recon running on my mobile while watching the animation to know who was talking

I figured who the abbot was by the hat but i felt better looking at the recon during the animation as he had a much kinder face.

Khrisong i could also tell.

[barneyhall]

I think your all getting hung up on the likeness thing a bit too much. It's been said they deliberately didn't attempt to get the likeness of the monks as they want them too look more like tibetten monks would rather than white Europeans. If you veiw them as a complete 6 animations it really works. And if you watch it with the restored original ep 2 it doesn't take long to work out what's what. I personally don't have a problem with it. But the point I'm making is it was a stylistic choice rather than not being bothered to get the likenesses right.

[barneyhall]

I think your all getting hung up on the likeness thing a bit too much. It's been said they deliberately didn't attempt to get the likeness of the monks as they want them too look more like tibetten monks would rather than white Europeans. If you veiw them as a complete 6 animations it really works. And if you watch it with the restored original ep 2 it doesn't take long to work out what's what. I personally don't have a problem with it. But the point I'm making is it was a stylistic choice rather than not being bothered to get the likenesses right.

[jcoleman]

I disagree. Likenesses are important for several reasons:

• These animations are a replacement for the original visuals. Many consumers much prefer them to be as faithful as possible to those original visuals. This is evident from the lists of most highly regarded animations, which are consistently topped by the likes of The Invasion and The Moonbase (despite the former's error with Zoe's clothing), and why black & white versions are included in the releases rather than just colour versions.
  
  
• Many fans prefer to watch any surviving episodes rather than animations of them. That's understandable. Why pass on the opportunity to watch the original and appreciate the actual production and performances? If, as is apparently the case with The Abominable Snowmen animation, characters are not very recognisable then that is at best a distraction and at worst confusing and frustrating.
  
  
• Changing a character's likeness so that they no longer resemble the actor who played the role and, importantly, whose voice is still being used in the animation may be considered highly disrespectful to that actor.
  
  
• Changing a character's likeness so that it matches a generic stereotype may be considered offensive.
  
  
• Imposing current political sensitivities onto past productions is considered both unnecessary and inappropriate by many.

[barneyhall]

I actually agree with you I would prefer them to be as accurate as possible I was simply stating that there decison to not go for actor likeness was stylistic/political not ability or laziness. I also watch the surviving episodes intermingled with the animation but that isn't what this product was produced for. The reason I say people are getting to hung up on it is these are co produced with BBC America to be televised and veiwed as one solid peice of animation in colour. The fact they have an off shoot product which we purchase and choose to consume in that way is the after thought rather than the goal. And if the choice is they make these the best way they see fit or they don't make them at all, which is the situation we are wanting now BBCA has pulled out I can live with the likeness changes. Sometimes I think we need to remember how lucky we are to get anything let alone something as high quality as this. If it had been the other way round where it was one ep of animation and 5 of original material I would probably feel differently but I can totally understand the decision to make it the way they have given its only one episode that survives. You can disagree with me if you feel that way but if the alternative was it hadn't been made at all would that please you?

[George D]

I can't buy the argument to make them more tibetian.

1.Padmasambhava looks like a blob. Not like an old tibetian at all.

2. Tibetian can have hair. Changing mustache and beards or making characters with a similar model don't make them more tibetian either.

Minimal changes such as skin color would not have been noticed.


The argument of creative license is the only argument im seeing and the question is where do you draw the line? Do you make troughton look like davison???


I appreciate that we have it but my pet peeve is those in charge should have coached the animators to produce their best rather than buy whatever they want to make.