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Post by John Wall on Nov 21, 2021 14:06:05 GMT
I dunno whether this is a time loop or an infinite recursionm - but it’s the same old 🤮 repeated ad nauseum. Well if I may say You said that you did not know whether he had or what is out there and did so after you said that you did know that he had. So yes this is true See above. Perhaps you have evidence of this. I am in any case not just talking about Doctor Who but TV and radio. On the basis of doctor who alone no but then I don't seem to recall saying that. AFAIK he’s been everywhere DW was shown - he’s had plenty of time. In addition to Enemy and Web he’s recovered Sky at Night, Morecambe and Wise, Harry Worth, Basil Brush and I think an already existing Steptoe. You seem to think he’s some sort of idiot who’s fixated on DW. If you’re interested in missing radio there’s a board here devoted to that. It’s about time you stopped wasting our time.
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 14:36:34 GMT
AFAIK he’s been everywhere DW was shown - he’s had plenty of time. You said you didn't know and then you said you did. Perhaps you have some evidence for that statement which will have been made online no doubt. Please feel free to point me in its direction. He will not in any case have for instance searched countries where other BBC material was sold Nope, I said was that all countries should be searched. What I outlined arose as a result of the conversation and as such it is applicable to this given that it applies to methods of searching. Well I should perhaps point out the following 1) This is a public forum 2) If this upsets you, you do not have to respond. 3) You speak for yourself and perhaps a couple of others. 4) We shall leave that to the moderators to decide. 5) Personally and I am sure I am not alone, I think passing on any future leads which I may reveal at some point would be a waste of time given the reaction from people like yourself on the main forum which is devoted to missing BBC material.
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 14:40:27 GMT
it must now be at least nine years since PM first got into that store in Jos. I don’t know how many other places he’s been, before or after I refer you to one of your statements where you state that you do not know.
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Post by John Wall on Nov 21, 2021 15:03:44 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1uryUKNhYPM’s been to more than fifty countries - that’s enough to cover everywhere that showed b&w DW. He’s aware of six DW MEs with collectors and thinks there may be some with collectors in Australia. As I said, let’s concentrate on collectors.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 21, 2021 16:35:39 GMT
Well if I may say You said that you did not know whether he had or what is out there and did so after you said that you did know that he had. So yes this is true See above. Perhaps you have evidence of this. I am in any case not just talking about Doctor Who but TV and radio. On the basis of doctor who alone no but then I don't seem to recall saying that. AFAIK he’s been everywhere DW was shown - he’s had plenty of time. In addition to Enemy and Web he’s recovered Sky at Night, Morecambe and Wise, Harry Worth, Basil Brush and I think an already existing Steptoe. You seem to think he’s some sort of idiot who’s fixated on DW. If you’re interested in missing radio there’s a board here devoted to that. It’s about time you stopped wasting our time. Don’t forget The Scaffold concert!
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 19:31:13 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1uryUKNhYPM’s been to more than fifty countries - that’s enough to cover everywhere that showed b&w DW. He’s aware of six DW MEs with collectors and thinks there may be some with collectors in Australia. As I said, let’s concentrate on collectors. I eventually got the quote out of you youtu.be/xG1uryUKNhY?t=225Nice bloke. So lets look at what he said and let us be precise. 1) Has he systematically visited every archive? Not as far as I can tell. Some may of those he has visited may indeed have said no or been unhelpful in some way. He did as much in Nigeria however. 2) Does he specifically search those countries for Doctor Who? As one can see from his website he searches archives in general as part of TIEA. As such we don't whether he has searched every county which has doctor who because this will not necessarily be his focus. Indeed this is proven by the fact that amongst other places, he has not visited Iran a country which might be unhelpful due to, amongst other things, the 400 million pounds which the British government apparently owes their government. As regards any danger of imprisonment, this as far as I can tell, only applies to dual nationals who are regarded as Iranian by their government given that they do not recognize dual nationality. 3) There are 195 countries in the world. he has been to around 50 over 10 years so it would take him another 3 decades to search every country. And I would imagine that most if not all countries have had British material of one form or another. I do not discount collectors. Equally however I think its wrong to discount archives until we know for sure. The thing is and I hope you don't take this personally is that you view being proven right as more important than finding the material.
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Post by Scot Ferre on Nov 21, 2021 19:37:30 GMT
The fact remains is that we haven’t heard a full accounting of the search by TIEA yet. We just have to keep on waiting.
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 19:47:31 GMT
AFAIK he’s been everywhere DW was shown - he’s had plenty of time. In addition to Enemy and Web he’s recovered Sky at Night, Morecambe and Wise, Harry Worth, Basil Brush and I think an already existing Steptoe. You seem to think he’s some sort of idiot who’s fixated on DW. If you’re interested in missing radio there’s a board here devoted to that. It’s about time you stopped wasting our time. Don’t forget The Scaffold concert! I don't take these sorts of comments or the requoting of them personally and I realize that this is a forum and it tends to be the case that this sort of thing happens but you may like to take account of the following statement. I don't refer to anything I have said on here to anyone.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 21, 2021 19:52:09 GMT
Don’t forget The Scaffold concert! I don't take these sorts of comments or the requoting of them personally and I realize that this is a forum and it tends to be the case that this sort of thing happens but you may like to take account of the following statement. I don't refer to anything I have said on here to anyone. So you are saying you have a lead or something that you want to reveal or share with us that might lead to some recoveries, then please do so
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Post by John Wall on Nov 21, 2021 19:53:54 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1uryUKNhYPM’s been to more than fifty countries - that’s enough to cover everywhere that showed b&w DW. He’s aware of six DW MEs with collectors and thinks there may be some with collectors in Australia. As I said, let’s concentrate on collectors. I eventually got the quote out of you youtu.be/xG1uryUKNhY?t=225So lets look at what he said and let us be precise. 1) Has he systematically visited every archive? Not as far as I can tell. Some may of those he has visited may indeed have said no or been unhelpful in some way. 2) Does he specifically search those countries for Doctor Who? As one can see from his website he searches archives in general as part of TIEA. As such we don't whether he has searched every county which has doctor who because this will not necessarily be his focus. Indeed this is proven by the fact that amongst other places, he has not visited Iran a country which might be unhelpful due to, amongst other things, the 400 million pounds which the British government apparently owes their government. As regards any danger of imprisonment, this as far as I can tell, only applies to dual nationals who are regarded as Iranian by their government given that they do not recognize dual nationality. 3) There are 195 countries in the world. he has been to around 50 over 10 years so it would take him another 3 decades to search every country. And I would imagine that most if not all countries have had British material of one form or another. I do not discount collectors. Equally I do not discount archives until we know for sure. If you’d been paying attention you’d remember that Iran has been repeatedly identified as somewhere we don’t think anyone has been. I’m willing to start an appeal to buy you a one way ticket….. Perhaps you hadn’t noticed but this is the DW board and we know that PM has visited over 50 countries and that he’s been pretty thorough. As he’s had his “Accredited by Auntie” badge with him he’s almost certainly done as well as anyone possibly could. He reckons that WoF3 is out there somewhere but that’s about it. It’s clear that the search for DW at foreign broadcasters is pretty well complete - unless anyone has the coordinates and a convenient Police Box to pop over to Iran. Future recoveries are gonna be from collectors.
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Post by John Wall on Nov 21, 2021 20:11:54 GMT
The fact remains is that we haven’t heard a full accounting of the search by TIEA yet. We just have to keep on waiting. I’m not sure exactly how many countries showed b&w DW but Marco Polo was the most widely sold at twenty three - probably only about seven sets of prints. We don’t know which 50+ countries PM has visited but they definitely include Nigeria, Sierra Leone and Ethiopia - all places that were at the end of bicycle chains. He may have mentioned other countries over the last few years - someone here may be able to fill in a few gaps. There are places that almost certainly just received, broadcast and then forwarded stories. They could be crossed off the list but most of them are very easy to visit - so why not collect some Air Miles and be certain? We can keep our fingers crossed for WoF3 and a very faint hope of a couple of episodes of MP from Iran but I reckon that’s it. Perhaps an odd print was snaffled from a foreign destruction pile but that really needed local 16mm collectors.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 21, 2021 20:33:33 GMT
The fact remains is that we haven’t heard a full accounting of the search by TIEA yet. We just have to keep on waiting. I wish he would write a book or do an extended interview listing all the places he has been, it would sure help clear up some things that is for sure. But we know he has not been to Iran, that's a given and possibly a dangerous situation. If he did go there and found something who knows they might hold up the prints for political reasons or even worse destroy them out of malice. I would not put anything past that regime in Tehran.
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 20:33:35 GMT
I eventually got the quote out of you youtu.be/xG1uryUKNhY?t=225So lets look at what he said and let us be precise. 1) Has he systematically visited every archive? Not as far as I can tell. Some may of those he has visited may indeed have said no or been unhelpful in some way. 2) Does he specifically search those countries for Doctor Who? As one can see from his website he searches archives in general as part of TIEA. As such we don't whether he has searched every county which has doctor who because this will not necessarily be his focus. Indeed this is proven by the fact that amongst other places, he has not visited Iran a country which might be unhelpful due to, amongst other things, the 400 million pounds which the British government apparently owes their government. As regards any danger of imprisonment, this as far as I can tell, only applies to dual nationals who are regarded as Iranian by their government given that they do not recognize dual nationality. 3) There are 195 countries in the world. he has been to around 50 over 10 years so it would take him another 3 decades to search every country. And I would imagine that most if not all countries have had British material of one form or another. I do not discount collectors. Equally I do not discount archives until we know for sure. If you’d been paying attention you’d remember that Iran has been repeatedly identified as somewhere we don’t think anyone has been. I’m willing to start an appeal to buy you a one way ticket….. Perhaps you hadn’t noticed but this is the DW board and we know that PM has visited over 50 countries and that he’s been pretty thorough. As he’s had his “Accredited by Auntie” badge with him he’s almost certainly done as well as anyone possibly could. He reckons that WoF3 is out there somewhere but that’s about it. It’s clear that the search for DW at foreign broadcasters is pretty well complete - unless anyone has the coordinates and a convenient Police Box to pop over to Iran. Future recoveries are gonna be from collectors. Did you perhaps read what I said about the money owed to the Iranian government? As you will have noted, I used the phrase [î] amongst other places [/î] when referring to Iran. And its not clear that he has searched every country for that series Doctor who nor indeed will he have searched every country for BBC material. Nor is it clear that he was able to search thoroughly except in the case of Nigeria. As he himself says, not everything is documented Future recoveries may be from archives or indeed from collectors on the basis of the information. I had noticed about DW but this is a discussion and the nature of discussions is that they evolve to encompass things which are connected to the initial subject, such as in this case, methods of the recovery of material. And if you had paid attention (sorry to use your phrase), you will have noted the fifth point about which strangely you are uninterested.
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 20:38:32 GMT
The fact remains is that we haven’t heard a full accounting of the search by TIEA yet. We just have to keep on waiting. I wish he would write a book or do an extended interview listing all the places he has been, it would sure help clear up some things that is for sure. But we know he has not been to Iran, that's a given and possibly a dangerous situation. If he did go there and found something who knows they might hold up the prints for political reasons or even worse destroy them out of malice. I would not put anything past that regime in Tehran. I think as you say they will be more likely to hold them up. And the same situation applies to Zimbabwe given the perceived failure to hold the Lancester house agreements and to pay the money which formed part of that agreement. Robert Mugabe has only recently departed and there are still as far as I am aware sanctions on that country.
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Post by fredjones1 on Nov 21, 2021 20:54:01 GMT
With respect to Doctor Who or indeed any other material which is valuable, there is an issue worth bearing in mind.
Philip Morris will of course be famous in archiving circles or indeed from an internet search on who he is since October 2013 with him having appeared on the BBC. Others will be aware of the fact that he will want to recover material.
As such, certain countries will perhaps perceive a monetary value to what he and others will want to recover as a consequence of which they may not necessary provide material which may be missing.
It's nice however to see that he viewed the recovery of material as important from a cultural perspective
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