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Post by John Wall on Jan 11, 2022 20:09:35 GMT
We’ve been discussing various media.
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Post by RWels on Jan 11, 2022 21:30:51 GMT
We’ve been discussing various media. Well, once again, we don't even know exactly what was removed and why; if it was smoking or if it was shown pre-watershed - things that make a difference. I assume (without checking) that you can buy and own an uncut DVD - that is, until the actual PC police knocks on your door. All these things, in my opinion, are not irrelevant. I'm not terribly keen on smoking myself. Although I'm in some ways surprised that stuff that's so recent is edited. The late 1990s weren't exactly the middle ages... The irony is, that some "victims" apparently do relatively well out of these things, because for some, there is no such thing as bad publicity: www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/dec/05/is-it-time-we-cancelled-cancel-cultureKaren Dunbar for example is going to use this for a documentary. Although I guess it's too late for Semonides of Amorgos. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 11, 2022 21:59:15 GMT
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Post by RWels on Jan 11, 2022 23:12:59 GMT
Artists can get more moderate as they get older and lose their edge. Take Spielberg and Lucas, removing guns from E.T. and having Greedo shoot first (or then simultaneous or post-mortem). You'd think the shock was the whole point they were traying to make for a reason. But what can we do, if Costello or the Stones decide this, who can force them. Perhaps that's why some people on this forum are so angry about it - because there is nothing that they CAN do about it. |
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Post by Dan S on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:50 GMT
...removing guns from E.T. ET was on over the Christmas period and I noticed it was the guns version. |
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Post by Stephen Byers on Jan 22, 2022 15:13:15 GMT
Who do you think you are kidding Mr H*****? Outrage at BBC cuts on classics including Dad's Army over 'race and sex slurs' fears * BBC is editing radio comedies to remove jokes considered politically incorrect * Dad's Army, Steptoe and Son and I'm Sorry, I'll Read That Again were hit by cuts * Edits are thought to have been made to some repeat shows on BBC Radio 4 Extra * BBC spokesman said shows were edited to remove racially offensive language www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10429151/Outrage-BBC-socially aware-cuts-classics-including-Dads-Army-race-sex-slurs-fears.html |
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Post by Stephen Byers on Jan 22, 2022 15:20:15 GMT
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Post by garygraham on Jan 22, 2022 17:10:47 GMT
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Post by RWels on Jan 22, 2022 18:35:05 GMT
Well, at least it gives all of you something to get upset about.
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Post by John Green on Jan 22, 2022 18:59:13 GMT
Well, at least it gives all of you something to get upset about. I think it's fair to say that 99.3% of the population care less about missing/wiped TV shows than we do. That's their option. There are shows on TV now, not least the ones with men dressing as women/sluts, which I find rather nasty. At present, mine is a minority view. If that changes, it could affect the future availability of drag shows, but I wouldn't personally want them cut or banned. Censorship, as much as anything, is to do with power-balances. Nobody's tried blowing up Karl Marx' headstone, despite the millions who've died under Communism-and that more recently than the Atlantic slave-trade. Were anyone to essay the iconoclasm, I suspect that there would be loud voices on the Left saying that such destruction was caddish. |
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Post by garygraham on Jan 22, 2022 22:03:07 GMT
Well, at least it gives all of you something to get upset about. I think it's fair to say that 99.3% of the population care less about missing/wiped TV shows than we do. That's their option. There are shows on TV now, not least the ones with men dressing as women/sluts, which I find rather nasty. At present, mine is a minority view. If that changes, it could affect the future availability of drag shows, but I wouldn't personally want them cut or banned. Censorship, as much as anything, is to do with power-balances. Nobody's tried blowing up Karl Marx' headstone, despite the millions who've died under Communism-and that more recently than the Atlantic slave-trade. Were anyone to essay the iconoclasm, I suspect that there would be loud voices on the Left saying that such destruction was caddish. I agree with you about some drag. The simple reason it continues is because it's men doing it. Having said that, we have a rich culture of cross dressing for entertainment in this country and I would be sorry to see it banned outright. I enjoyed French and Saunders taking the mickey out of repulsive men, being the twins from Bros etc. |
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Post by John Green on Jan 22, 2022 22:13:39 GMT
Not having watched any drag since Panto...I think there is, or was, an assumption amongst women, even feminists, that homosexual men were 'allies'; almost women themselves (this is predicated on a rather old-fashioned view that men who have no sexual interest in women are effeminate). I think that it has given some of the more extreme drag acts a wide margin to lampoon and ridicule aspects of womanhood. This leniency might well not last.
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Post by garygraham on Jan 22, 2022 23:02:12 GMT
There was another side to it too, in Victorian times and earlier. Which was male prostitutes and perhaps others dressing up as women to have sex with delusional men who felt more comfortable with that scenario. It still continues to an extent.
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Post by T Morgan on Jan 23, 2022 0:08:36 GMT
Well, at least it gives all of you something to get upset about. Are we not allowed to be upset about it? You seem determined to detract from anyone being suspicious or "indignant" about such cuts being made. Yes, the tabloids do feed on "outrage", but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's always a complete overreaction to a non-story. I'm glad this one has finally been covered by the media, anyway. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 23, 2022 0:10:09 GMT
OK I find it a bit funny how the topic turned to victorian male prostitutes because none of the links seem to cover that subject. Nobody's tried blowing up Karl Marx' headstone, despite the millions who've died under Communism-and that more recently than the Atlantic slave-trade. Were anyone to essay the iconoclasm, I suspect that there would be loud voices on the Left saying that such destruction was caddish. Uhm, you may want to check some facts. People did try to blow that up. |
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