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Post by garygraham on Jan 4, 2022 13:55:08 GMT
There have been recent reports about UCL seeking to remove “dead white men” from the curriculum, just another nail in education’s coffin 👎 I'm not saying people aren't fools, but I am saying, if you forgive me a slightly patronising angle here, that the daily mail has got you exactly where it wants to, or at least has got you two figured out. You're SO much more clever than the rest of us, spotting how the Mail has us fooled. How stupid of me. Yet you haven't spotted that posts like this is what led directly to Brexit, Trump and Tory government for years with no chance of change for the forseeable future. So is it all just about condemning bigotry for you? A short "high" from putting others in their place? Because otherwise you're losing. This isn't winning hearts and minds. People don't want your world view. They're voting against it and using the off switch on their TVs. |
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Post by garygraham on Jan 4, 2022 13:56:48 GMT
I'm talking about Portland and San Francisco which have been taken to the brink by socially aware policies. The mayor of San Francisco declared a state of emergency in December after agreeing to "defund the police" a year ago. That went well. Looking at the Christmas ratings, soon BBC television won't be able to continue in its current form. You can't run cities to mainly benefit a tiny minority rather than the majority (who pay the bills). Nor can you run a national TV service in that way, "broadcast" television, the clue is in the name. Anyone interested in Portland should see www.city-journal.org/critical-race-theory-portland-public-schools - quite a long read. I was in Portland as recently as 2014 - nothing to worry about then. Much comes from what’s been described as “luxury” beliefs - things like “defund the police” come from middle class radicals, ordinary people, irrespective of skin colour, oppose them, as they’re the ones who lose out. Broadcasting is increasingly being replaced by narrowcasting - because of technology. I recall when a very average sitcom could get 15m viewers, largely because there were only three channels. Get 5m now and that’s huge. But those audiences won't support what the BBC has produced traditionally. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 4, 2022 16:31:52 GMT
The facts are not disputed - the censoring of the Ancient Greek text is widely reported. I have no objection to curriculum changes - in some technological subjects it happens almost continuously, and some make a good living by regularly updating text books. However, it’s not being done because something has been superseded but because of who wrote it - identity politics. Do you want the successful Covid vaccines dumped because they were produced by white westerners and replaced with an untried herbal remedy produced by someone in Africa? That’s where this leads. Uhm, is that where this leads, though? Where did we get from radio to curricula and now to medicine? I can't tell at this point if that's a joke or not. I could go into the Greek example, but it's just one case. (Edit: Actually, come to waste a minute on it: other sources mostly cite the "report" by the daily mail. Some articles confirm that students can find the full text if they want it.) The "newspaper" wasn't exactly neutral in its description. But even if it's all completely true, I still think my point stands that it's in some way "welcome" news, to feed an existing reaction. Face it, until recently you had never heard of Semonides of Amorgos. Now, suddenly, we're supposed to care until the next worthy case for outrage is presented to us, neutrally and reliably. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 4, 2022 17:00:34 GMT
I'm not saying people aren't fools, but I am saying, if you forgive me a slightly patronising angle here, that the daily mail has got you exactly where it wants to, or at least has got you two figured out. You're SO much more clever than the rest of us, spotting how the Mail has us fooled. How stupid of me. Yet you haven't spotted that posts like this is what led directly to Brexit, Trump and Tory government for years with no chance of change for the forseeable future. So is it all just about condemning bigotry for you? A short "high" from putting others in their place? Because otherwise you're losing. This isn't winning hearts and minds. People don't want your world view. They're voting against it and using the off switch on their TVs. So people on the right can't handle things they don't like either? I find this ironic, because that is exactly your complaint about censorship. Just like you get all sarcastic, dismissive, and personal when people don't all agree with you. Such a great example of how adults handle adversity...! By the way, pal, don't effing pretend that you know my effing worldview. You never ask any question at all; that would distract from pontificating about your pet peeve. Anyway it's all quite simple: THIS FORUM IS ABOUT MISSING EPISODES, RADIO/TV. Please stop always bringing these culture wars into it. |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 4, 2022 17:59:03 GMT
Anyone interested in Portland should see www.city-journal.org/critical-race-theory-portland-public-schools - quite a long read. I was in Portland as recently as 2014 - nothing to worry about then. Much comes from what’s been described as “luxury” beliefs - things like “defund the police” come from middle class radicals, ordinary people, irrespective of skin colour, oppose them, as they’re the ones who lose out. Broadcasting is increasingly being replaced by narrowcasting - because of technology. I recall when a very average sitcom could get 15m viewers, largely because there were only three channels. Get 5m now and that’s huge. But those audiences won't support what the BBC has produced traditionally. Yep, and not just the BBC. Who’s going to make a prestige costume drama nowadays? The pendulum has swung towards the streaming services who make things for international audiences to get the viewers. |
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Post by RWels on Jan 4, 2022 18:52:31 GMT
Yep, and not just the BBC. Who’s going to make a prestige costume drama nowadays? Netflix made bridgerton, and they have downton abbey for the intellectual segment. What more could you want!(!)! |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 4, 2022 18:54:23 GMT
Yep, and not just the BBC. Who’s going to make a prestige costume drama nowadays? Netflix made bridgerton, and they have downton abbey for the intellectual segment. What more could you want!(!)! I also wrote: “The pendulum has swung towards the streaming services who make things for international audiences to get the viewers.” |
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Post by RWels on Jan 4, 2022 19:03:27 GMT
Netflix made bridgerton, and they have downton abbey for the intellectual segment. What more could you want!(!)! I also wrote: “The pendulum has swung towards the streaming services who make things for international audiences to get the viewers.” Oh, I didn't realise that was your answer to your own question. |
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 4, 2022 21:34:36 GMT
You're SO much more clever than the rest of us, spotting how the Mail has us fooled. How stupid of me. Yet you haven't spotted that posts like this is what led directly to Brexit, Trump and Tory government for years with no chance of change for the forseeable future. So is it all just about condemning bigotry for you? A short "high" from putting others in their place? Because otherwise you're losing. This isn't winning hearts and minds. People don't want your world view. They're voting against it and using the off switch on their TVs. So people on the right can't handle things they don't like either? I find this ironic, because that is exactly your complaint about censorship. Just like you get all sarcastic, dismissive, and personal when people don't all agree with you. Such a great example of how adults handle adversity...! By the way, pal, don't effing pretend that you know my effing worldview. You never ask any question at all; that would distract from pontificating about your pet peeve. Anyway it's all quite simple: THIS FORUM IS ABOUT MISSING EPISODES, RADIO/TV. Please stop always bringing these culture wars into it. Don't worry he's still doing Der Massers dirty work! |
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Post by darrenlee on Jan 4, 2022 22:20:42 GMT
I presume the OP doesn’t actually care that marginalised groups reps have said they don’t want harmful crap in old shows broadcast any more. It’s just as harmful as deliberately deadnaming Elliott Page as Ellen. It's a point well worth pondering. Though I'm sometimes a little wary about how many community spokesmen (and how often it seems to be men) are self-appointed. I think it's fair to say, too, that there's not necessarily a complete overlap between various communities' views on the rights and respects due to women, darker or lighter skinned people, homosexuals, etc. and those of the more liberal elements in British society. Might some of the former be rather keen on there being greater ridicule and criticism of these demographics, or at the least less representation in the media, from the viewpoint of older patriarchal right-wing religious values? In that case, how much weight should be given to the 'reps' attitudes? I have long been perplexed that people can be put forward unquestioned as 'spokespeople' for perhaps millions with a shared characteristic. Not only do they all apparently share the same views and speak with one voice, it seems they virtually live together since they are usually described as a 'community'. I do hope that as a 'white male' I am not regarded as having Boris Johnson as my 'rep', because, given the chance, I tend not to say the same things as he does. [Looks confused and shuffles papers] OK, let's talk about Peppa Pig Land instead. It seems to me that's a place where they Get Things Done the right way! Oh, hang on, didn't they have to pull an episode because it showed the young scallywags cycling without helmets? Just excuse me for a moment while I check the science on that ... (Sorry, Natalie, but I can't resist hoisting you by your own petard by posting on 'The Mr Bean thread' in The Nexus ...) |
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Post by John Wall on Jan 4, 2022 23:02:16 GMT
As communities are rarely homogeneous it’s dangerous to rely on, often self-appointed, community “leaders” - much better to look at data from properly conducted surveys which will tell you that a certain %age of community X believe in Y.
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Post by John Green on Jan 4, 2022 23:38:39 GMT
A man named Gunn, who apparently is Something in Television, has been having increased fame this week because he's tweeted to a woman that she can STFU when she tries to define what a woman is.
Google that acronym and I'll meet you in the next paragraph...
Back in the Bad Old Days, for an actor to have said that publicly to a woman would have been bad news for his career. Nowadays, his peers will be rallying round to 'Like' and support him. I can see why some feminists, at least, are wondering why being radical (man) seems to licence men to spit on women.
I remember, on Roobarb, that I was not only On the Wrong Side of History on leaving the European Trade Bloc, but they also got me for my ropey keyboard skills (I didn't work in an office, and hadn't learnt that stuff). Nothing I hate more than some well-educated type disparaging the ragged-trousered lower classes (the ones who they see as having only rudimentary intellectual skills and so get all their opinions from newspapers.Check articles in the Guardian for more on this).
I actually suggested that as well as their thread "Isn't the Daily Mail pap for the masses?" Roobarb should have one on some of the dodgy articles in the Guardian. In fact, I have a feeling I started one and it got deleted. Once upon a time it was possible to disagree with a fellow on one or two points, but remain on speaking terms. Nowadays, it seems that one must expect every root and branch of ones attitudinal family tree to be gone through for any sign of a Wrong Opinion. Having been found (and it will be) one is Tainted.
It's a chuckle. Once upon a time, it was a bit dodgy to:
Own a tobacco farm of six hundred acres
With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him,
And high office relations in the politics of Maryland
but honestly, doesn't everyone who's an Influencer nowadays-and preaches to us that we are backward/on the Wrong Side of History/ needing to educate ourselves-tend to belong to the cushioned classes? O private education! O, internships! O, Jobs For the Boys! Nothing for us to apologise about there; we use Preferred Pronouns!
The gap between me and those people seems as great as-to edge back on topic-that between my family and the "Honey, I'm home!" characters on so many older sit-coms. My dad went into the army at 18, fought in Burma, did manual work all his life, and died two years before he would have received his pension. (But three years after he'd have received it if he'd been in the subordinate sex). When people started saying that blokes like dad were members of a privileged stratum of society, I was initially surprised. That settled into disgust within a few years and I never voted Labour again.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 5, 2022 0:27:59 GMT
I’ve just checked and I’ve been here a few days over thirteen years.
For most of that time it’s been a matter of discussing things like where MEs might be or what’s likely to turn up, debunking the “theories” whose only purpose is to make recoveries more likely, sharing information and, occasionally, having to defend the integrity of the likes of PM against those with “entitlement” who believe they’ve got a God-given “right” to see any recovery 30 seconds after it’s found.
It’s disappointing that instead of enjoying/accepting things from the past in terms of the era in which they were created - Archaeology 101 - and learning from that, we have to discuss the imposition of (minority) modern views onto the past which results in, imho unnecessary, censorship. I’ll repeat that I’m not against warnings that things reflect their era or watersheds.
What I would caution is that the forces (albeit minority views) that are, nonetheless, shaping things are fundamentally destructive and should be resisted.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 11, 2022 16:37:00 GMT
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Post by RWels on Jan 11, 2022 20:00:31 GMT
TV, I gather, rather than radio? (Wait, did the radio version come AFTER the TV series??) I absolutely refuse to start a flame war in the wrong subforum/category. |
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