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Post by barneyhall on Mar 28, 2021 18:53:13 GMT
One of the ideas I have seen discussed and actually quite like is to split the 6 B/W seasons in to 2 sets each. If you look at the episode count it brings them inline with the other seasons in the collection and would mean some of these half season would be ready to go sooner than later. It gives the animations more time to catch up (or and wandering episodes to make there way home). If you look at how many discs those early season sets will need to have they are going to be massive. Especially if they include both colour and BW animations. Which will neither mean they have to scrimp on the extras/clean up or increase the price. I'd rather the cost was the same per set but be generous on my pocket if they were split up. Lastly and I confess this one is vein those first 6 sets will be so much wider on the shelf next to the other sets they will look better as 12 slimmer editions. Definitely something I think they should be thinking about.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 28, 2021 20:17:03 GMT
One of the ideas I have seen discussed and actually quite like is to split the 6 B/W seasons in to 2 sets each. If you look at the episode count it brings them inline with the other seasons in the collection and would mean some of these half season would be ready to go sooner than later. It gives the animations more time to catch up (or and wandering episodes to make there way home). If you look at how many discs those early season sets will need to have they are going to be massive. Especially if they include both colour and BW animations. Which will neither mean they have to scrimp on the extras/clean up or increase the price. I'd rather the cost was the same per set but be generous on my pocket if they were split up. Lastly and I confess this one is vein those first 6 sets will be so much wider on the shelf next to the other sets they will look better as 12 slimmer editions. Definitely something I think they should be thinking about. My sentiments exactly Barney-release the existing full live action stories as their own season box-sets and leave the animations as separate releases,especially those that are yet to be produced so reducing the pressure on the animation teams so as to give us the best possible production and thus avoiding the situation where the Power animation had to be released twice! |
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Post by barneyhall on Mar 28, 2021 20:45:01 GMT
I'm not sure I'd split them that way but I see your point. I more meant season 1 part 1 and part 2 and season 2 part one and part 2 and so on with each season split at about the half way point.like I would still like the collection to represent the whole seasons with animations filling the gaps. The way you just suggested would involve
swapping between the two sets back and forth if you were to watch a whole season chronologically unless I misunderstood.
The way you suggest may end up with some stories getting missed off if they are not animated. As much as I love the animations(they may not be perfect but in many cases it's the best visuals we will get if you are realistic) we also have to accept there are some stories I just don't think will get animated. All the monster ones will and even with marco polos many costumes and settings problems its notoriety will help it get down probably for an anniversary like the 60th I'm talking about the crusade, myth makers and even the Highlanders. I love all those stories but its known that the dryer historical just don't sell as well or appeal to many people outside us hardcore fans and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong isn't a large chink of the money for the animation coming from bbc America who then televise these animations? They have to appeal to wider than the hardcore.
As we know the collection guys and animators aren't in cahoots splitting the seasons up would allow you to get some 60's stuff out there while more animations are produced. Straight off the bat season 1 part 2 would be ready to go as would season 2 part 1...granted season 3 and 4s sets would be a while but you'd vet season 5 part 2 and 6 part 1 with the current animations that have been made.
I'd just hate for it to come to it that season 1-6 either cost £100 each and therefore difficult to buy/ preorder so they all get snaffled by scalpers or the stay at £40 and are bare bones releases. Spitting each season down the middle does a lot of good across the board in my opinion.
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Post by barneyhall on Mar 28, 2021 20:54:43 GMT
And just to add I desperately want all the stories to be animated. And I think we are going to get alot more just not all of them. Even daleks masterplan and mission to the unknown which will be a massive undertaking will happen because daleks sell to even the most casual fan. Some of the old historical don't(look at the slow sales of reign of terror). Even the Highlanders which we all love as the introduction to Jamie if you a casual or new who fan you probably don't care. But a double feature length movies worth of daleks? Money in the bank every time
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 28, 2021 20:56:37 GMT
I'm not sure I'd split them that way but I see your point. I more meant season 1 part 1 and part 2 and season 2 part one and part 2 and so on with each season split at about the half way point.like I would still like the collection to represent the whole seasons with animations filling the gaps. The way you just suggested would involve swapping between the two sets back and forth if you were to watch a whole season chronologically unless I misunderstood. The way you suggest may end up with some stories getting missed off if they are not animated. As much as I love the animations(they may not be perfect but in many cases it's the best visuals we will get if you are realistic) we also have to accept there are some stories I just don't think will get animated. All the monster ones will and even with marco polos many costumes and settings problems its notoriety will help it get down probably for an anniversary like the 60th I'm talking about the crusade, myth makers and even the Highlanders. I love all those stories but its known that the dryer historical just don't sell as well or appeal to many people outside us hardcore fans and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong isn't a large chink of the money for the animation coming from bbc America who then televise these animations? They have to appeal to wider than the hardcore. As we know the collection guys and animators aren't in cahoots splitting the seasons up would allow you to get some 60's stuff out there while more animations are produced. Straight off the bat season 1 part 2 would be ready to go as would season 2 part 1...granted season 3 and 4s sets would be a while but you'd vet season 5 part 2 and 6 part 1 with the current animations that have been made. I'd just hate for it to come to it that season 1-6 either cost £100 each and therefore difficult to buy/ preorder so they all get snaffled by scalpers or the stay at £40 and are bare bones releases. Spitting each season down the middle does a lot of good across the board in my opinion.
If they are going to do split seasons, I think it really has to be Part 1 followed by Part 2. You couldn't just release "Season 1 Part 2" and not look and feel odd. It has the same effect of filling up a spot in the release schedule, but really you need to have the animations ready for one season to offer up more time for another season.
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Post by John Wall on Mar 28, 2021 20:57:08 GMT
I think Barney has made an excellent suggestion 👍
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Post by barneyhall on Mar 28, 2021 21:26:24 GMT
I'm not sure I'd split them that way but I see your point. I more meant season 1 part 1 and part 2 and season 2 part one and part 2 and so on with each season split at about the half way point.like I would still like the collection to represent the whole seasons with animations filling the gaps. The way you just suggested would involve swapping between the two sets back and forth if you were to watch a whole season chronologically unless I misunderstood. The way you suggest may end up with some stories getting missed off if they are not animated. As much as I love the animations(they may not be perfect but in many cases it's the best visuals we will get if you are realistic) we also have to accept there are some stories I just don't think will get animated. All the monster ones will and even with marco polos many costumes and settings problems its notoriety will help it get down probably for an anniversary like the 60th I'm talking about the crusade, myth makers and even the Highlanders. I love all those stories but its known that the dryer historical just don't sell as well or appeal to many people outside us hardcore fans and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong isn't a large chink of the money for the animation coming from bbc America who then televise these animations? They have to appeal to wider than the hardcore. As we know the collection guys and animators aren't in cahoots splitting the seasons up would allow you to get some 60's stuff out there while more animations are produced. Straight off the bat season 1 part 2 would be ready to go as would season 2 part 1...granted season 3 and 4s sets would be a while but you'd vet season 5 part 2 and 6 part 1 with the current animations that have been made. I'd just hate for it to come to it that season 1-6 either cost £100 each and therefore difficult to buy/ preorder so they all get snaffled by scalpers or the stay at £40 and are bare bones releases. Spitting each season down the middle does a lot of good across the board in my opinion.
If they are going to do split seasons, I think it really has to be Part 1 followed by Part 2. You couldn't just release "Season 1 Part 2" and not look and feel odd. It has the same effect of filling up a spot in the release schedule, but really you need to have the animations ready for one season to offer up more time for another season.
I don't think it's look much more odd than season 12 sat next to season 18 for 2 years before season 14 then jumped between them. As long as by the end of the range they release both part 1 and 2 whether that includes all animated or if the animations have gone leaving some stories uncovered maybe tele snaps (better than nothing right?) But this is purely personal opinion it would not bother me having season 1 part 2 on my shelf for part 1 to not join it till the very end of the range but others will feel differently and have no basis of what the majority would be. |
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Post by Robert Lia on Mar 29, 2021 4:54:17 GMT
Every one must have patience, keep in mind that the BBC along time ago said that each story must be released individually before its released as part of a set. . .
So we are going to get them individually before we get them in a season set.
I can deal with that, You do not want the animation teams rushed where they do a shoddy job just to meet a BBC self imposed dead line when the they still have lots of color seasons complete to work on in the mean time.
So every one take a chill pill and relax as its just a matter of time, the BBC plan to sell it to us time and time again. . .
And enjoy the black and white shows that are already on DVD if you need a quick fix of William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton. . .
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Post by John Wall on Mar 29, 2021 10:58:46 GMT
Every one must have patience, keep in mind that the BBC along time ago said that each story must be released individually before its released as part of a set. . . So we are going to get them individually before we get them in a season set. I can deal with that, You do not want the animation teams rushed where they do a shoddy job just to meet a BBC self imposed dead line when the they still have lots of color seasons complete to work on in the mean time. So every one take a chill pill and relax as its just a matter of time, the BBC plan to sell it to us time and time again. . . And enjoy the black and white shows that are already on DVD if you need a quick fix of William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton. . . I’ve just realised that with some stories there’s actually going to be a quadruple dip! Those of us old enough will recall VHS and I had quite a collection - which took up a lot of shelf space. Anybody remember how thick the double tape stories were? None were anything more than just the episodes, and some were edited together in a “movie” format. So, for some stories: VHS DVD DVD SE Blu Ray There was also “Lost in Time”. I’m open to correction but I think the only season released in its entirety was the “Key to Time”, everything else jumped all over the place, a Baker might be followed by a Hartnell which might be followed by a Pertwee. Stories were lumped together - sometimes because there was an internal logic, such as the “Black Guardian Trilogy” or because of a theme, such as “Myths and Legends”. I’m not sure how long the complete seasons are going to take to release - but there’s a limit to fans buying power so I’d expect this to continue into the second half of the 2020s. Personally I’m very happy to have things on physical media - streaming services are fine but, as we’ve seen, susceptible to the socially aware brigade. I also really enjoy many of the “extras” - sometimes an average story can have excellent extras. It’s worth realising that the complete season sets are probably the last bite of the cherry - that will be it! Views on the animations are mixed but I prefer them to the telesnap reconstructions - and not all MEs have telesnaps. With the B&W stories it’d be good, should the urge arise, to be able to “binge watch” a complete season - something that hasn’t been possible since they were first broadcast in the 1960s. I’d be happy to have, say, Season One - Part Two followed by Season Six - Part One. That’s pretty much what we’ve had over the years with the DVDs where it could take years to complete a colour season. This, as I’ve previously outlined, needs a little thought but with the exception of Season Three is certainly possible. |
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Post by mattg on Mar 29, 2021 12:29:43 GMT
Was just perusing on Amazon and saw the re-release packaging for the first time. Must admit I’m quite surprised as I was expecting something akin to the U.S. editions. Instead the presentational ‘downgrade’ of these regular sets appears pretty marginal compared to the limited editions as they still boast a good quality cardboard outer sleeve and sizeable booklet. The respective price point between regular and limited is negligible too. None of the above is an issue for me as I’ve never once paid over the odds for any of these sets (via scalpers on eBay et al) but I can imagine some fans who have being a little ticked that these subsequent, regular editions compare so favourably to the originals! All that said I certainly don’t blame the BBC for satiating a still sizeable demand for the earlier, out of print sets of which continue to attract such extortionate prices these days.  |
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Post by Robert Lia on Mar 29, 2021 20:33:16 GMT
and how about quadruple dip, lets not forget the audio cassettes of The Power of the Daleks, The Macra Terror, The Evil of the Daleks and the Fury from the Deep which of course came before the CD release of the same stories. And correct me if I am worng but did not The Power of the Daleks also got a CD rom release a few years back before 2 different animation releases. . .
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Post by John Wall on Mar 29, 2021 20:50:06 GMT
and how about quadruple dip, lets not forget the audio cassettes of The Power of the Daleks, The Macra Terror, The Evil of the Daleks and the Fury from the Deep which of course came before the CD release of the same stories. And correct me if I am worng but did not The Power of the Daleks also got a CD rom release a few years back before 2 different animation releases. . . Quintuple dip..... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Richard Marple on Mar 29, 2021 20:51:56 GMT
Have we mentioned the omnibus edition VHS releases, with the episodes edited into a movie format?
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Post by John Wall on Mar 29, 2021 21:02:55 GMT
Have we mentioned the omnibus edition VHS releases, with the episodes edited into a movie format? Yep 👍 But not the Target novelisations.... |
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Post by isaacc on Mar 29, 2021 21:49:08 GMT
I'm not sure I'd split them that way but I see your point. I more meant season 1 part 1 and part 2 and season 2 part one and part 2 and so on with each season split at about the half way point.like I would still like the collection to represent the whole seasons with animations filling the gaps. The way you just suggested would involve swapping between the two sets back and forth if you were to watch a whole season chronologically unless I misunderstood. The way you suggest may end up with some stories getting missed off if they are not animated. As much as I love the animations(they may not be perfect but in many cases it's the best visuals we will get if you are realistic) we also have to accept there are some stories I just don't think will get animated. All the monster ones will and even with marco polos many costumes and settings problems its notoriety will help it get down probably for an anniversary like the 60th I'm talking about the crusade, myth makers and even the Highlanders. I love all those stories but its known that the dryer historical just don't sell as well or appeal to many people outside us hardcore fans and I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong isn't a large chink of the money for the animation coming from bbc America who then televise these animations? They have to appeal to wider than the hardcore. As we know the collection guys and animators aren't in cahoots splitting the seasons up would allow you to get some 60's stuff out there while more animations are produced. Straight off the bat season 1 part 2 would be ready to go as would season 2 part 1...granted season 3 and 4s sets would be a while but you'd vet season 5 part 2 and 6 part 1 with the current animations that have been made. I'd just hate for it to come to it that season 1-6 either cost £100 each and therefore difficult to buy/ preorder so they all get snaffled by scalpers or the stay at £40 and are bare bones releases. Spitting each season down the middle does a lot of good across the board in my opinion. I'd do: Season 1 Part 1 - An Unearthly Child-Marco Polo Season 1 Part 2 - The Keys of Marinus-The Reign of Terror Season 2 Part 1 - Planet of Giants-The Web Planet Season 2 Part 2 - The Crusade-The Time Meddler Season 3 Part 1 - Galaxy 4-The Daleks Master Plan (maybe Massacre here too)
Season 3 Part 2 - The Massacre-The War Machines Season 4 Part 1 - The Smugglers-The Underwater Menace Season 4 Part 2 - The Moonbase-The Evil of the Daleks Season 5 Part 1 - The Tomb of the Cybermen-The Enemy of the World Season 5 Part 2 - The Web of Fear-The Wheel in Space Season 6 Part 1 - The Dominators-The Krotons Season 6 Part 2 - The Seeds of Death-The War Games
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