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Post by PAUL WOOD on Mar 25, 2021 14:03:25 GMT
Being the proud owner of all the Collection releases to date, has motion juddering had really been a "recurring problem" on these sets? Overall, for some fans (and arguably more than would be considered merely average for a defect rate), actually yes. For me, the motion juddering and other technical issues encountered on some discs (but tellingly not others in the very same set) is either a manufacturing issue... or my £850 4K player and OLED TV can’t cope! Given that the former plays EVERYTHING else (non-Classic Who) just dandy, I’m rather inclined to believe the former tbh. Regardless, I genuinely wasn’t trying to derail the thread with either complaints or negativity - and my copy of the recently released Season 8 is just superb so I’ll leave things here! I honestly wasn't aware of this issue, so I genuinely feel your pain! It's all the more puzzling as my own set-up is as far from cutting edge as it is possible to get: budget £80 Panasonic blu ray player, seven year old Samsung 32" LED Full HD television and entry-level Yamaha soundbar, yet all the sets play fine on my equipment. My Season 12 'Genesis Of The Daleks' BD hiccuped recently but that turned out to be finger prints on the disc surface and was easily sorted with some cleaning cloth. |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Mar 25, 2021 14:05:20 GMT
The number of technical issues has actually been very small compared to the volume of material produced and virtually non-existant in the past couple of years. And your motion judder (especially given that you've evidently experienced it more than once) sounds far more like it's a problem with the setup on your BR player or television than any issue with the discs themselves. ...I don’t mean to boast (much) Richard but my swanky, obscenely expensive Panasonic DPUB-9000 player really isn’t the problem here. It certainly doesn’t struggle with anything else (classic Who excepted) I play through it - including the other stories from Season 14. Ditto my TV. It doesn't really matter how much you spend on the equipment. If it's got unneccessary processing gubbins switched on as default (which most do) then you can get all sorts of weird and wonderful artefacts happening on a variety of discs - and the fact that no one else has reposted any pictures issues with The Hand of Fear, then it would seem that it's far more likely going to be your equipment than one Blu-ray disc somehow getting encloded with a fault that no one else has. You mean the reissue of Season 12? There was nothing wrong with the content on the discs, the manufacturing plant just loaded up the wrong image files so put the Season 10 pictures on them instead. Quickly rectified though. Mistakes happen. Blimey! You have lead a sheltered life then. They happen all the time on other releases - and the vast majority of those never get fixed!  |
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Post by Lucy Wagner on Mar 25, 2021 21:41:57 GMT
Yeah, I also hope and expect that Hartnell's and Troughton's seasons will be done rather late in the collection's release plan. Not just because of the missing episodes, but the material is probably quite a bit harder to work with and polish then a McCoy Season might be... Though, since they already worked on two of Pertwee's, that definitely isn't the definitive factor in deciding the order.
The high amount of animations Troughton has got in recent times certainly won't be too bad for the collection's Troughton boxes either. I wonder if they'll put Tenth Planet (and Smugglers) on the Season 4 or Season 3 box.
Anyway, as a side note, I personally hope that Peter Davison's two later seasons will be next (or at least pretty soon) in line. Not because he's my favourite, actually my least favourite classic Doctor, if I am being honest, but because over here in Germany, we're only getting Doctors 1-5 now. 6,7 and 8 and The Five Doctors were dubbed in the 90ies (with... some issues) but the rest wasn't.
Now, Classic Who is getting dubbed in German for DVD and Blueray by two publishers. And one of them has only been doing stories that were already done on Bluerays since the Collection started, but they've now finished Davison's first season and are nearing completion with Tom Baker's last season. And seasons that are older than that are problematic to dub, as they often lack a separate Music and Effects Track.
So, yeah, another Davison season would be helpful.
(The second publisher, btw. has released 3 Hartnells (The beginning set) and 2 Troughtons (Tomb and War Games), but they take a lot of time . Tomb came in a special edition with a Frazer Hines Autograph and Second Doctor Bow Tie. They'll release Enemy of the World in the summer in a similar Special Edition Set as a Mediabook DVD)
Did the side note end up longer than the actual post? Opps, my fault 😅
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 26, 2021 2:58:23 GMT
Yeah, I also hope and expect that Hartnell's and Troughton's seasons will be done rather late in the collection's release plan. Not just because of the missing episodes, but the material is probably quite a bit harder to work with and polish then a McCoy Season might be... Though, since they already worked on two of Pertwee's, that definitely isn't the definitive factor in deciding the order. The high amount of animations Troughton has got in recent times certainly won't be too bad for the collection's Troughton boxes either. I wonder if they'll put Tenth Planet (and Smugglers) on the Season 4 or Season 3 box. Anyway, as a side note, I personally hope that Peter Davison's two later seasons will be next (or at least pretty soon) in line. Not because he's my favourite, actually my least favourite classic Doctor, if I am being honest, but because over here in Germany, we're only getting Doctors 1-5 now. 6,7 and 8 and The Five Doctors were dubbed in the 90ies (with... some issues) but the rest wasn't. Now, Classic Who is getting dubbed in German for DVD and Blueray by two publishers. And one of them has only been doing stories that were already done on Bluerays since the Collection started, but they've now finished Davison's first season and are nearing completion with Tom Baker's last season. And seasons that are older than that are problematic to dub, as they often lack a separate Music and Effects Track. So, yeah, another Davison season would be helpful. (The second publisher, btw. has released 3 Hartnells (The beginning set) and 2 Troughtons (Tomb and War Games), but they take a lot of time . Tomb came in a special edition with a Frazer Hines Autograph and Second Doctor Bow Tie. They'll release Enemy of the World in the summer in a similar Special Edition Set as a Mediabook DVD) Did the side note end up longer than the actual post? Opps, my fault 😅 The Smugglers and The Tenth Planet will be in the Season 4 set (and that similarly The Twin Dilemma will be in the Season 21 set). It's also a rather open secret at this point that Season 20 was going to be the third set released in 2020 before everything got put on hold, so there is another Davison on the way but we may have to wait for the world to stop being on fire first for them to produce the desired extras.
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Post by Robert Lia on Mar 27, 2021 2:25:10 GMT
I am in no rush for anything. It is not like I have never seen any of these stories before, I would rather that they take there time and do things properly. Once the world opens up again (and we are slowly heading in that direction) then they can properly film the extras the way they want to.
This of course includes the animations, I would hate to see work on them released just to fit them onto a collection Blue Ray set especially when there are several years worth of color episodes to release.
And as for technical faults the only ones that bothered me so far are the scenes shot at UNIT HQ and Windsor's Lab in "The Claws of Axos" (in episode's 1 & 4) other wise apart from Pertwees face on the opening credits photograph the resto f the episode looks ok.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 27, 2021 6:56:15 GMT
Obviously we all hope missing material will return, but for now the animation/recon pairings are our best stopgap. I'm hoping we'll be a "restored" Season 5 in time for the 60th anniversary once the animations are done. I really hope that DVD boxsets of incomplete seasons are not released.The thought of buying boxsets made up re-released animations and reconstructions to make up the numbers seems creatively a step backwards especially when the recent animations have been so good and beautifully packaged in illustrated steel-books.The potential entertainment value and sales of a stand-alone Dalek Masterplan animation box-set (which would quite a substantial release) would be huge and so exciting to look forward to!I would prefer it if complete stories were remastered and released on blu-ray separately to the animations but unfortunately the BBC will make decisions that will give them the most financial return from their assets so I'm sure certain aspects of the final blu-ray boxsets will be frustrating as usual. |
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Post by stevegerald on Mar 27, 2021 10:23:11 GMT
And as for technical faults the only ones that bothered me so far are the scenes shot at UNIT HQ and Windsor's Lab in "The Claws of Axos" (in episode's 1 & 4) other wise apart from Pertwees face on the opening credits photograph the resto f the episode looks ok. Wait, what's the problem there? |
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Post by John Wall on Mar 27, 2021 10:28:58 GMT
Obviously we all hope missing material will return, but for now the animation/recon pairings are our best stopgap. I'm hoping we'll be a "restored" Season 5 in time for the 60th anniversary once the animations are done. I really hope that DVD boxsets of incomplete seasons are not released.The thought of buying boxsets made up re-released animations and reconstructions to make up the numbers seems creatively a step backwards especially when the recent animations have been so good and beautifully packaged in illustrated steel-books.The potential entertainment value and sales of a stand-alone Dalek Masterplan animation box-set (which would quite a substantial release) would be huge and so exciting to look forward to!I would prefer it if complete stories were remastered and released on blu-ray separately to the animations but unfortunately the BBC will make decisions that will give them the most financial return from their assets so I'm sure certain aspects of the final blu-ray boxsets will be frustrating as usual. It’s been discussed here before, some b&w seasons could be completed with animations fairly easily as there aren’t too many MEs. It really needs the people commissioning animations to talk to those doing the complete season box sets and come up with a strategic plan. For example, the animations folk commission Space Pirates (5 or 6 episodes) for an imminent standalone release and the box set people think about scheduling Season 6 in several years time. Auntie gets a double-dip on the animation and the loyal fans get something great. Lovely jubbly, everyone’s a winner 👍 |
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 27, 2021 16:53:30 GMT
I really hope that DVD boxsets of incomplete seasons are not released.The thought of buying boxsets made up re-released animations and reconstructions to make up the numbers seems creatively a step backwards especially when the recent animations have been so good and beautifully packaged in illustrated steel-books.The potential entertainment value and sales of a stand-alone Dalek Masterplan animation box-set (which would quite a substantial release) would be huge and so exciting to look forward to!I would prefer it if complete stories were remastered and released on blu-ray separately to the animations but unfortunately the BBC will make decisions that will give them the most financial return from their assets so I'm sure certain aspects of the final blu-ray boxsets will be frustrating as usual. It’s been discussed here before, some b&w seasons could be completed with animations fairly easily as there aren’t too many MEs. It really needs the people commissioning animations to talk to those doing the complete season box sets and come up with a strategic plan. For example, the animations folk commission Space Pirates (5 or 6 episodes) for an imminent standalone release and the box set people think about scheduling Season 6 in several years time. Auntie gets a double-dip on the animation and the loyal fans get something great. Lovely jubbly, everyone’s a winner 👍 I think I've had this discussion with you about half a dozen times now, but the only double dip scenario is the one where the BBC screws us all over and releases a "complete" set as soon as possible then has a "special animated edition" a few years later once they've actually done the work (I hope they wouldn't stoop that low but they did exactly that with The Underwater Menace and The Web of Fear). The season sets sell out no matter what, and the Whoray team are going to want to spend their budget on making extras and restoring the existing episodes, not paying off the animation team to do their bidding. Auntie doesn't get a double dip without screwing over the fans. I sincerely hope they won't do anything like that, but we'll have to wait and see. |
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Post by John Wall on Mar 27, 2021 19:10:22 GMT
It’s been discussed here before, some b&w seasons could be completed with animations fairly easily as there aren’t too many MEs. It really needs the people commissioning animations to talk to those doing the complete season box sets and come up with a strategic plan. For example, the animations folk commission Space Pirates (5 or 6 episodes) for an imminent standalone release and the box set people think about scheduling Season 6 in several years time. Auntie gets a double-dip on the animation and the loyal fans get something great. Lovely jubbly, everyone’s a winner 👍 I think I've had this discussion with you about half a dozen times now, but the only double dip scenario is the one where the BBC screws us all over and releases a "complete" set as soon as possible then has a "special animated edition" a few years later once they've actually done the work (I hope they wouldn't stoop that low but they did exactly that with The Underwater Menace and The Web of Fear). The season sets sell out no matter what, and the Whoray team are going to want to spend their budget on making extras and restoring the existing episodes, not paying off the animation team to do their bidding. Auntie doesn't get a double dip without screwing over the fans. I sincerely hope they won't do anything like that, but we'll have to wait and see. Considering that a number of stories have had an initial release, then a Special Edition and will then be part of a complete season BR set there are plenty of precedents. In terms of “restoring” existing episodes there are some Pertwees that need a bit more TLC, which will be undertaken as part of the complete season releases, and a very few B&W episodes. There may be others but the B&W episodes that come to mind as being able to benefit from improvements - technology permitting - are Time Meddler (which wasn’t considered suitable for Vidfiring at the time) and the Lion, both Season Two. Some here may be able to suggest others but I can’t immediately think of other B&W episodes that could be significantly improved. |
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Post by stevegerald on Mar 27, 2021 22:25:06 GMT
I think I've had this discussion with you about half a dozen times now, but the only double dip scenario is the one where the BBC screws us all over and releases a "complete" set as soon as possible then has a "special animated edition" a few years later once they've actually done the work (I hope they wouldn't stoop that low but they did exactly that with The Underwater Menace and The Web of Fear). The Underwater Menace? I wouldn't call that releasing "as soon as possible", and there's still no special edition of it 6 years later. Also, The Web of Fear's special edition was released 7 years later, more than "a few". |
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Post by isaacc on Mar 28, 2021 0:58:13 GMT
I would just like to add, that it has been clarified many times by many people that the Blu-Ray teams and the animation teams have don't negotiate with each other. The animation teams don't choose animations around Collection sets. Just thought I'd clear that up  |
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 28, 2021 4:01:22 GMT
I think I've had this discussion with you about half a dozen times now, but the only double dip scenario is the one where the BBC screws us all over and releases a "complete" set as soon as possible then has a "special animated edition" a few years later once they've actually done the work (I hope they wouldn't stoop that low but they did exactly that with The Underwater Menace and The Web of Fear). The Underwater Menace? I wouldn't call that releasing "as soon as possible", and there's still no special edition of it 6 years later. Also, The Web of Fear's special edition was released 7 years later, more than "a few".
I didn't say they were, but they do set a precedent for them to do it again. The Troughton era will be done in a few years, let's just all be patient because it's better for us all in the long run (whether that be the Whorays, the animations or indeed the missing episodes themselves).
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Post by John Wall on Mar 28, 2021 7:59:05 GMT
I would just like to add, that it has been clarified many times by many people that the Blu-Ray teams and the animation teams have don't negotiate with each other. The animation teams don't choose animations around Collection sets. Just thought I'd clear that up Perhaps we should be asking WHY don’t they talk to each other? |
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Post by scotttelfer on Mar 28, 2021 17:19:15 GMT
I would just like to add, that it has been clarified many times by many people that the Blu-Ray teams and the animation teams have don't negotiate with each other. The animation teams don't choose animations around Collection sets. Just thought I'd clear that up Perhaps we should be asking WHY don’t they talk to each other? The answer is pretty obvious, the Whoray team don't need the animations and the animation team have to work on a case by case basis because one bad release could end everything. Working together doesn't help either team so they may as well carry on as they are for the time being. |
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