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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Aug 31, 2020 20:41:45 GMT
Actally,there is/was an animerumour, especially around the time of the omni-rumour and that was that Phillip Morris had found more episodes but because various animation studios had already been commissioned by the BBC,Phillip couldn't announce further recoveries because this would have led to the animation companies having to abandon their productions thus leading to a loss of revenue. I'll get me coat...
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Post by RWels on Aug 31, 2020 21:30:28 GMT
It sure makes for an animated discussion.
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Post by scotttelfer on Sept 1, 2020 15:13:36 GMT
Which turned out to be a just short sequence done by an animator and shown at a Missing Believed Wiped event. Still not 100% convinced that it wasn’t a shelved or abandoned project rather than a test or demonstration piece which IIRC was the official explanation. Jamie was wearing the wrong costume though, which hardly screams out a genuine product. I can understand removing a costume change, but they wouldn't have just reused Jamie from The Macra Terror if it was intended for a full release.
Wheel is an obvious candidate. It’s got two complete episodes and features a “big” monster. The short reconstruction of the start of Episode One shows what can be done.
As we have seen already, having two complete episodes isn't doing much good as they are happy to go over already existing episodes. That should in and of itself dismiss any animerumour.
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Post by mattg on Sept 1, 2020 15:40:14 GMT
Which turned out to be a just short sequence done by an animator and shown at a Missing Believed Wiped event. Still not 100% convinced that it wasn’t a shelved or abandoned project rather than a test or demonstration piece which IIRC was the official explanation. Yes, the proffered explanation for the Wheel’ sequence’s existence was a little speculative. Not least because the animation of lost ‘Who episodes was hardly an unknown quantity in 2018, to put it mildly. Naturally fans excitedly deduced that it was intended to compliment two further recovered episodes of Wheel’ (one of the more persistent rumours in the whole missing episode saga lest we forget) but as yet, nothing has surfaced of course. Either way that animation ‘test’ is an intriguing if redundant curio...
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 1, 2020 19:10:35 GMT
Well that certainly kicked off a thread within a thread 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Love it!
To clarify my thoughts on this further at the risk of rattling a few cages it seems commercially unlikely that a company would produce 10 minutes of animation just as a pitch or for the hell of it. I would have thought that it is much more likely that it was for a stalled and then abandoned animation project for Wheel. There’s no evidence for this that I’m aware of, just to clarify for those who get excited about this sort of thing, it’s purely speculation on my part, but it does make more sense to me than the official version which does seem to plot a route of minimum offence to excitable fans. I’ll just get back in me bunker.......
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Post by John Wall on Sept 1, 2020 20:15:17 GMT
Still not 100% convinced that it wasn’t a shelved or abandoned project rather than a test or demonstration piece which IIRC was the official explanation. Jamie was wearing the wrong costume though, which hardly screams out a genuine product. I can understand removing a costume change, but they wouldn't have just reused Jamie from The Macra Terror if it was intended for a full release.
Wheel is an obvious candidate. It’s got two complete episodes and features a “big” monster. The short reconstruction of the start of Episode One shows what can be done. As we have seen already, having two complete episodes isn't doing much good as they are happy to go over already existing episodes. That should in and of itself dismiss any animerumour.
Two existing episodes of a story largely based in one location - i.e., a space station - would be a great help in accurately reconstructing the missing episodes.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 1, 2020 20:26:36 GMT
To clarify my thoughts on this further at the risk of rattling a few cages it seems commercially unlikely that a company would produce 10 minutes of animation just as a pitch or for the hell of it. They didn't. It wasn't a pitch or done "for the hell of it." It was produced by Anne-Marie Walsh, who worked on the previous animations and took over the producer reigns on The Faceless Ones and done specifically for the BFI event. All of this has been stated before. It wasn't. There never has been any animation project for The Wheel in Space.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 1, 2020 20:36:46 GMT
To clarify my thoughts on this further at the risk of rattling a few cages it seems commercially unlikely that a company would produce 10 minutes of animation just as a pitch or for the hell of it. They didn't. It wasn't a pitch or done "for the hell of it." It was produced by Anne-Marie Walsh, who worked on the previous animations and took over the producer reigns on The Faceless Ones and done specifically for the BFI event. All of this has been stated before. It wasn't. There never has been any animation project for The Wheel in Space. Fair enough, thanks for that, it’s the first time I’ve read a detailed explanation, all I’ve ever heard before has been that it was produced as a taster or a promotional piece.
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Post by timmunton on Sept 1, 2020 23:49:56 GMT
As Richard Bignell says: It was said at the time that the animation covering (some of) episode 1 of Wheel was done for the BFI event. However if indeed this was absolutely the only reason for it being made - ie. for a onetime-only screening at the BFI, then to me that pretty much fits Richard Woods' description of the "unlikely" possibility that maybe it was made "just for the hell of it"!😂
...I should add that making it for a couple of hundred afficiandos at a public screening, although that kind of is "for the hell of it", also sounds like a very good and valid reason to me.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Sept 2, 2020 8:59:08 GMT
As Richard Bignell says: It was said at the time that the animation covering (some of) episode 1 of Wheel was done for the BFI event. However if indeed this was absolutely the only reason for it being made - ie. for a onetime-only screening at the BFI, then to me that pretty much fits Richard Woods' description of the "unlikely" possibility that maybe it was made "just for the hell of it"!😂 ...I should add that making it for a couple of hundred afficiandos at a public screening, although that kind of is "for the hell of it", also sounds like a very good and valid reason to me. That would explain why it was only a shortened version of Part 1. If it started as a full project then stopped, you'd think they'd have gotten as far as finishing all of Part 1 instead of only a few minutes worth. I particularly love how the Doctor passes out from banging his head, or whatever he did (I dont remember), then in the closing scenes can be seen casually sitting down like theres nothing wrong with him XD
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Post by RhysH on Sept 2, 2020 9:17:13 GMT
Had another rewatch of The Faceless Ones last night. Really made me look forward to these 2 coming out next, fingers crossed. Hopefully we get official confirmation soon!
Incidentally, my preference is watching the surviving episodes spliced in with the black and white animations, but it's great the sets have so many options with the b&w and colour versions of the whole story. Really good job by the team - watching the making of documentary really brought that home even more.
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Post by John Wall on Sept 2, 2020 10:32:56 GMT
Had another rewatch of The Faceless Ones last night. Really made me look forward to these 2 coming out next, fingers crossed. Hopefully we get official confirmation soon! Incidentally, my preference is watching the surviving episodes spliced in with the black and white animations, but it's great the sets have so many options with the b&w and colour versions of the whole story. Really good job by the team - watching the making of documentary really brought that home even more. I agree that it was well done. The only thing I missed was something about the original making of the story.
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Post by RhysH on Sept 2, 2020 13:21:45 GMT
Agreed - maybe that's something for the season 4 collection set! Could be a long wait with 4 stories still to animate, but we'll get there in the end I'm sure!
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Sept 2, 2020 20:52:40 GMT
A thought came to me. It's probably wrong, but I'm curious to know what you guys think.
Among the DVD extras on Fury From the Deep, theres a bit that says "Teaser Trailer". Could this be connected with this "leak" of Evil or Snowmen?
It's very likely that it's just the teaser for Fury, but it seems odd to me that it would be here, given it was already on the Faceless Ones DVD.
Leaks don't always come out of nowhere, so is it at all possible that this teaser on the Fury release was meant to be a surprise announcement for one of the next sets? It WOULD explain, if true, why the BBC haven't responded to the leak at this time.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Sept 2, 2020 22:45:32 GMT
Gary Russell has already said that the teaser is the one for Fury specially made for the release announcement.
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