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Post by richardwoods on Jan 18, 2021 7:11:06 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed?
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Post by A Barron on Jan 18, 2021 11:02:29 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? I have encountered some people on the internet who swear that Fury From the Deep was also found in Nigeria and stolen as well; although it varies between it being stolen by a random person or the BBC who are apparently "hiding" it. I do not think this is very credible given that Fury From the Deep never went to Nigeria. broadwcast.org/index.php/New_Chains So unless we have another situation like the episodes that turned up in Taiwan, just ignore anyone who says this. Now, The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear where both sent in the same group to Nigeria with one other serial: The Abominable Snowmen. Given that that story was not found with them, it could be the "something else", however it is more than possible that the serials were just spit up. If you think about Cyprus, they apparently split up episodes from within serials and stored different them in different vaults so there is a very good chance The Abominable Snowmen was just not there. It does beg the question though: If it was not there, what happened to it.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2021 16:32:45 GMT
I think Taiwan was a hoax, did anyone actually see prints?
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Post by A Barron on Jan 18, 2021 17:07:22 GMT
I think Taiwan was a hoax, did anyone actually see prints? I believe Ian Levine claimed to have seen them - I have not, nor have I been able to find any photographs of the prints or cans. There is more information collected here on the Taiwan prints: broadwcast.org/index.php/Taiwan_PrintsIf it is too long, here is the conclusion the page reaches: " For now, and until such time that new evidence arises that should change our minds, we are going with the conclusion that most of the films were returned to the BBC from Gibraltar. (Of possible significance, there were no season three or four serials recovered in Taiwan; Gibraltar did not acquire any serials from those two seasons...)
The sequence of events may have been: After being returned from Gibraltar soon after transmission (1972 to 1973), a batch of films was junked by the BBC in early 1974, but some were salvaged from the skip and fell into the hands of a film collector. The films were on-sold several times over the years, and ultimately came into the possession of a Taiwan-based collector who specialised in old AFRTS material. AFRTS leaders were spliced onto them. Some of the footage was missing due to general wear and tear breakage; repair splices were made and the fact that footage was missing was noted. Depending on how the "notes" were written, this was mistakenly thought to be due to censorship. Many years later a box containing some of that collector's AFRTS radio tapes and ten mouldy old film prints was sold to Keith Perron…
While the above HYPOTHESIS is but one scenario, it's about the only one that satisfactorily explains how films that were never censored by or aired on the US military TV networks could show up with splices and bearing such insignia in faraway Taiwan." The page goes on to talk about the possible histories of each of the prints.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2021 19:13:49 GMT
Unless they’ve actually been seen.....
I recall a view that the story was a hoax, fed to IL, at the same time as PM popped up with Enemy and Web.
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Post by jamesellis on Jan 18, 2021 19:54:56 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? Good point, also I'm often wondered if WoF3 was snaffled by a collector why not take the rest ? 11 ME's there, Phil definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria, I'm buoyed by the fact Dave Hoskin's Chasing Shadows book has never been published, so there's obviously stuff going on behind the scenes,
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Post by RWels on Jan 18, 2021 21:01:22 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? Not the Sky at Night or the two morecambe & wises episodes?
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Post by andyeves on Jan 18, 2021 21:11:02 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? Good point, also I'm often wondered if WoF3 was snaffled by a collector why not take the rest ? 11 ME's there, Phil definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria, I'm buoyed by the fact Dave Hoskin's Chasing Shadows book has never been published, so there's obviously stuff going on behind the scenes, Presumably because the station manager figured that if he snaffled just one or two of the tapes that Phil had identified for safekeeping then he may not notice, whereas if he took the whole lot then Phil would likely twig ... Has Phil "definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria"? Please elaborate ... and indeed on why you believe there is "obviously stuff going on behind the scenes"? Thanks
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Post by andyeves on Jan 18, 2021 21:19:30 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? I don't think so, and I expect we'll have to wait until Phil eventually writes his book before it is revealed. My guess is that it was a non-DW episode.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 18, 2021 21:42:08 GMT
There’s a hell of a lot we still don’t know 👎
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Post by RWels on Jan 18, 2021 21:46:41 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? I don't think so, and I expect we'll have to wait until Phil eventually writes his book before it is revealed. My guess is that it was a non-DW episode. Such as the three I mentioned just above...?
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Post by richardwoods on Jan 18, 2021 21:49:52 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? Not the Sky at Night or the two morecambe & wises episodes? No, I’m pretty sure that I remember PM saying that Web3 and something else was taken, but I don’t think its ever been clarified what he was referring to. Nothing to say it’s Who of course, just to my mind it implies that it was also from the TV station at Jos.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 18, 2021 21:56:43 GMT
I don't think so, and I expect we'll have to wait until Phil eventually writes his book before it is revealed. My guess is that it was a non-DW episode. Such as the three I mentioned just above...? My impression from Phil's comments is that the additional tape was never returned by the station manager either, although he never has elaborated on its identity or its fate. Can't recall where Sky At Night episodes were recovered from (one was hidden under a carpet), but he recovered the two M&W episodes from Sierra Leone.
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Post by nathangeorge on Jan 19, 2021 5:15:35 GMT
[/quote]Good point, also I'm often wondered if WoF3 was snaffled by a collector why not take the rest ? 11 ME's there, Phil definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria, I'm buoyed by the fact Dave Hoskin's Chasing Shadows book has never been published, so there's obviously stuff going on behind the scenes, [/quote]
Are you refereimg to the book that said in the blurb "the story of looking fir treasure and what happens when you find it ( or words to that effect) because I've been wondering for years what happened with that and like you bouyed by the by the fact it's never been published. I live by the maxim no news is good news. As long as there's mystery and questions unanswered there is hope.
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Post by RhysH on Jan 19, 2021 16:31:07 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? Good point, also I'm often wondered if WoF3 was snaffled by a collector why not take the rest ? 11 ME's there, Phil definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria, I'm buoyed by the fact Dave Hoskin's Chasing Shadows book has never been published, so there's obviously stuff going on behind the scenes, Interesting - had not heard about that book, but googled this podcast from 2018 which had an interview with Dave Hoskins on the subject. High number of "read the book" replies, which is a shame, but will be an interesting read if we ever get to see it. 42todoomsday.hipcast.com/deluge/42_to_Doomsday_OmniRumourist_2.mp3
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