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Post by odysseaschristou on Sept 23, 2020 9:02:47 GMT
Have watched up to Episode 5 of the animation (colour version) now, plus all of the reconstruction. I have to say, while I applaud all the work that goes into the reconstruction, it still feels like a very empty experience when compared to the animation, which really draws me in effectively. There are some less than convincing aspects of the animation (namely the arms and general character anatomy) and a small number of unnecessary fannish in-jokes which I found distracting, but overall, these are small points and I've hugely enjoyed the animation. Those small drawbacks aside, I think it's right up there with the best produced to date and I do like the more realistic character design. However, there is one strange decision that I was not happy with... Another small point, but... (spoiler) When we get to the rig (aka Red Sands Fort) in Episode Five, it's a very much simplified version of the structure, with only two of the seven towers depicted, the others completely absent. This was one of the most impressive and unusual filming locations ever visited in Classic Who and it's a huge shame that the animation doesn't show it in all its faded glory. Considering the decision taken to open out the interior settings, it seems strange to make an external setting less impressive than it is in reality. I have to agree, apart from the over long arms, I too found it very strange that only two of the forts are shown in the animation. Would this be due to the cost of animating two forts versus seven forts? Anyway, overall I am happy with the animation so bring on the next one.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Sept 23, 2020 17:03:26 GMT
I have to agree, apart from the over long arms, I too found it very strange that only two of the forts are shown in the animation. Would this be due to the cost of animating two forts versus seven forts? I imagine it would be a flat layer, maybe two, and it's not as if each tower is or has to be different other than in perspective. Seems an odd decision to me. It's like if they animated The Daemons and only had the church tower and spire.
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Post by stevehoare61 on Sept 24, 2020 4:55:48 GMT
I havent changed my criticism from a little while ago, I do still think the artwork is odd and that Jamie, Victoria and a some others dont even look like themselves, but I did still thoroughly enjoy it. The Limbs caused some hilarity but it was the strength of such a good story that kept me glued. The extras are good, such a shame theres so few actors and footage left but thats life. IF they do end up doing a Special Edition in the future and they really shouldnt need to be doing this because it should be being done properly the first time around, then hopefully some of the errors would be sorted out and we'll end up with something akin to Power.
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 24, 2020 17:12:40 GMT
Has anyone noticed what looks like a picture of Roger Delgado’s Master on the office cabin notice board in Episode 1 (it might be early on in Episode 2). I haven’t bothered to rewind & take another look but if so someone’s ‘avin a larff!
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Post by richardwoods on Sept 24, 2020 17:13:52 GMT
I’m finding the arm length off putting tbh.
Oh in the unlikely event anyone is interested, I think I’ve solved the mystery of why I can’t remember watching it. My Mother & her sister went to Canada around that time to visit an elderly relative leaving me & the Old Man at home. My father promptly got flu, so I was packed off to the grandparents in London for just over a month, so I probably didn’t watch it!
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 24, 2020 20:16:33 GMT
Has anyone noticed what looks like a picture of Roger Delgado’s Master on the office cabin notice board in Episode 1 (it might be early on in Episode 2). I haven’t bothered to rewind & take another look but if so someone’s ‘avin a larff! The Wanted poster of Delgado's Master was witty and appropriately positioned in a police station in the animation of the Faceless Ones but here it's annoying and just plain wrong,unless of course it's a reference to a similar scenario in The Sea Devils...actually come to think of it-that's quite funny!
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Post by Alan Hayes on Sept 24, 2020 21:31:31 GMT
If the Delgado 'Wanted' poster HAD to be included then its first appearance in the guard room in Episode 1 was subtle enough and quite sufficient. The fact that it appears in a far more prominent way later on on one of the main sets is distracting and I really wish they'd exercised a bit more restraint there.
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Post by brianfretwell on Sept 26, 2020 7:40:01 GMT
Perhaps the animation team thought just tow towers looked more like an oil rig and less like a wartime fort/gun emplacement. However the adding of a third floor to one and just making the other so small that the two sets of windows were in a wall that was only one storey high spoiled it for me.
The Delgado's Master poster may have been there to indicate they thought the story was set in the mid 1970's.
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Post by mattg on Oct 17, 2020 13:36:15 GMT
Having now at last finished my leisurely watch of Fury’ (I was on about one episode a week!) I must say my overall feelings sadly echo others in being somewhat mixed too. As a longtime fan initially sceptical of animating missing stories I was largely won over by Power’, Macra’ and The Faceless Ones. But after viewing Fury’s telesnaps it’s animated counterpart seems like a step back in some respects, particularly the not inconsiderable artistic embellishments, arguable laziness*, flailing arms o’doom and the quite unnecessary ‘revisionism’ (I won’t elaborate on that last one lest it engender copious tantrums and accusations ) that pervades throughout. I may well be in the minority here but I’ve come to realise that what I ultimately want from these animations is as faithful a recreation of the original serial as possible; to get the best impression of the style and atmosphere of these tragically ‘lost’ stories as far as time and budgetary constraints will permit. Not the quasi ‘reimagining’ that animated Fury’ arguably veers into (at least in a more distracting/prominent manner than its predecessors). *Pertinent if admittedly trivial example: The submachine guns the guards wield throughout appear based on the MP28 or else Lanchester SMG - both rare and long obsolete by the 60’s never mind the story’s ‘future’ setting. Sufficiently curious then I referred to Fury’s surviving telesnaps of which revealed that the guards had actually carried Sterling’s - far more plausible in the circumstances. The animators presumably also referenced this material so why such a nonsensical switch? I know I know, does it really matter?! No, but it still smacks of lazy oversight.
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Post by richardwoods on Oct 18, 2020 8:32:49 GMT
Having now at last finished my leisurely watch of Fury’ (I was on about one episode a week!) I must say my overall feelings sadly echo others in being somewhat mixed too. As a longtime fan initially sceptical of animating missing stories I was largely won over by Power’, Macra’ and The Faceless Ones. But after viewing Fury’s telesnaps it’s animated counterpart seems like a step back in some respects, particularly the not inconsiderable artistic embellishments, arguable laziness*, flailing arms o’doom and the quite unnecessary ‘revisionism’ (I won’t elaborate on that last one lest it engender copious tantrums and accusations ) that pervades throughout. I may well be in the minority here but I’ve come to realise that what I ultimately want from these animations is as faithful a recreation of the original serial as possible; to get the best impression of the style and atmosphere of these tragically ‘lost’ stories as far as time and budgetary constraints will permit. Not the quasi ‘reimagining’ that animated Fury’ arguably veers into (at least in a more distracting/prominent manner than its predecessors). *Pertinent if admittedly trivial example: The submachine guns the guards wield throughout appear based on the MP28 or else Lanchester SMG - both rare and long obsolete by the 60’s never mind the story’s ‘future’ setting. Sufficiently curious then I referred to Fury’s surviving telesnaps of which revealed that the guards had actually carried Sterling’s - far more plausible in the circumstances. The animators presumably also referenced this material so why such a nonsensical switch? I know I know, does it really matter?! No, but it still smacks of lazy oversight. Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. Particularly the oddly disturbing long arms.
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Post by odysseaschristou on Oct 18, 2020 12:08:29 GMT
Having now at last finished my leisurely watch of Fury’ (I was on about one episode a week!) I must say my overall feelings sadly echo others in being somewhat mixed too. As a longtime fan initially sceptical of animating missing stories I was largely won over by Power’, Macra’ and The Faceless Ones. But after viewing Fury’s telesnaps it’s animated counterpart seems like a step back in some respects, particularly the not inconsiderable artistic embellishments, arguable laziness*, flailing arms o’doom and the quite unnecessary ‘revisionism’ (I won’t elaborate on that last one lest it engender copious tantrums and accusations ) that pervades throughout. I may well be in the minority here but I’ve come to realise that what I ultimately want from these animations is as faithful a recreation of the original serial as possible; to get the best impression of the style and atmosphere of these tragically ‘lost’ stories as far as time and budgetary constraints will permit. Not the quasi ‘reimagining’ that animated Fury’ arguably veers into (at least in a more distracting/prominent manner than its predecessors). *Pertinent if admittedly trivial example: The submachine guns the guards wield throughout appear based on the MP28 or else Lanchester SMG - both rare and long obsolete by the 60’s never mind the story’s ‘future’ setting. Sufficiently curious then I referred to Fury’s surviving telesnaps of which revealed that the guards had actually carried Sterling’s - far more plausible in the circumstances. The animators presumably also referenced this material so why such a nonsensical switch? I know I know, does it really matter?! No, but it still smacks of lazy oversight. Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. Particularly the oddly disturbing long arms.
BIB: Ah yes, the over long arms again. Personally, overall I'm happy with all the animations, but those arms do distract.
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Post by RhysH on Oct 19, 2020 8:02:04 GMT
I agree with the above. It was distracting from the very first episode - hate to complain as personally I am really pleased they are being animated and released for us all to watch, but just some constructive feedback for the next releases hey. The Faceless Ones (my favourite of the animations so far) benefitted from having those 2 existing episodes, so the animators had to stick more closely to the original set designs and so forth for it all to match up.
A really good story and I can't wait for the next ones to be released.
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Post by Steve Hamilton on Nov 29, 2020 14:19:16 GMT
I have to say, it has taken me about six weeks to watch this DVD, and I conclude it is not a great story. I found it slow and lacking in action. One of the best bits is the time taken over Victoria's decision to leave in episode six, at least ten minutes! The animation style didn't help, having re-watched 'The Moonbase' recently, I much prefer these more 'mature' and detailed episodes. The animation for 'Fury' seems more akin the the style of 'Scooby Doo' and none of this helped with my enjoyment of watching it.
I really can't imagine an animation of 'The Massacre' or 'The Crusade' done in this style. It would make it look comical.
No, it's not for me and I will stick to the telesnaps for now.
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Post by mattg on Nov 29, 2020 15:56:58 GMT
I have to say, it has taken me about six weeks to watch this DVD, and I conclude it is not a great story. I found it slow and lacking in action. One of the best bits is the time taken over Victoria's decision to leave in episode six, at least ten minutes! The animation style didn't help, having re-watched 'The Moonbase' recently, I much prefer these more 'mature' and detailed episodes. The animation for 'Fury' seems more akin the the style of 'Scooby Doo' and none of this helped with my enjoyment of watching it. I really can't imagine an animation of 'The Massacre' or 'The Crusade' done in this style. It would make it look comical. No, it's not for me and I will stick to the telesnaps for now. Coincidentally I’ve just been rewatching ‘The Moonbase’ too and, like yourself, am of the opinion that it’s probably the apex, the gold standard even, of missing ‘Who animation. That opinion was further reinforced by a subsequent rewatching of ‘The Ice Warriors’...and being reminded of how awful its animated episodes were! Indeed a starker contrast would be hard to find... Unfortunately it appears that recent and forthcoming animation projects are very much emulating the latter rather than the former, complete with flailing limbs and awkward, CGI’ied motion. Pity. Blimey, if it carries on like this even the much maligned Reign of Terror won’t look quite so bad by comparison!
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Post by timmunton on Nov 29, 2020 19:55:49 GMT
Yes, it's a shame they didn't continue in the style of The Moonbase animation - as mattg says; it is the gold standard. Did it cost more to make in that style? Or is that not relevant to why subsequent animations didn't follow its look?
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