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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 19, 2019 3:11:01 GMT
Also important is unlike the VHS range where they left the weaker story's to the end if the same process was done with animations we may not get them at all. Better to save some Dalek and Cybermen episodes for further on down the line and mix in the one off monsters and historical story's along the way.
Leaving naturally only for last the story's needing animation that will cost more to produce and will be harder to work on.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 19, 2019 8:58:24 GMT
Also important is unlike the VHS range where they left the weaker story's to the end if the same process was done with animations we may not get them at all. Better to save some Dalek and Cybermen episodes for further on down the line and mix in the one off monsters and historical story's along the way. Leaving naturally only for last the story's needing animation that will cost more to produce and will be harder to work on. I wouldn’t necessarily agree about the order of Troughton VHS releases, for example The Invasion & The Ice Warriors weren’t weaker stories, just challenging releases requiring linking material. To my mind the order of VHS releases appeared to be purely driven by the limited availability of complete Troughton material.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 19, 2019 22:27:28 GMT
I was referring to the big end of the Universe Box set of VHS where we got like 8 releases in one box. The Patrick Troughton shows came much earlier. These were all the weaker surviving color story's.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 20, 2019 18:33:27 GMT
Apologies, I see what you were getting at! That’s down to me being focused on the Troughton episodes!
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Post by RhysH on Aug 3, 2020 12:36:38 GMT
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Post by stevehoare61 on Aug 4, 2020 6:27:36 GMT
Is that the confirmed artwork and colour ? Ive just seen a still , I assume its a still, on a fan page and Im hoping to god this isnt the style of animation. The pictures of both Jamie and Victoria on the cover, dont even look like them, and the shot on the DW page of the Weed monster dragging the Tardis down, looks incredibly cheap and done by a fourteen year old. After having Power re-released, with much,much better animation , its quite worrying that another A class story may be wrecked with these graphics. I hope Im wrong , because they cant keep releasing special editons .
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Post by mattg on Aug 4, 2020 13:35:53 GMT
The Beeb normally knock it out of the park when it comes to their ‘Who steel-books, at least in my opinion, but this Fury’ effort....well, er, ‘unexpected’ is perhaps the best I can say for that design!
The mid-September release date is also quite surprising considering Power SE was only just released. I was expecting it more around November time tbh.
Regardless, and on a related note, does anyone know what the situation is with the Classic Who Collection box sets? I thought that a couple more were scheduled for this year but since Tom Baker’s superlative Season 14 it’s all gone quiet (at least on an official level), presumably the current pandemic has disrupted/delayed things...?
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Post by RhysH on Aug 4, 2020 15:15:01 GMT
Nothing official - Season 20 is thought to be the next one based on twitter posts from some of the cast several months back (pre-Covid) who were reunited to film some extras. But pure speculation - could be for a later release. Would be great to hear what is next on both classic set's and animation.
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Post by RhysH on Sept 14, 2020 13:53:11 GMT
Just received my set from Amazon - looks very smart and am looking forward to watching this later on in the week!
Curious fact in the booklet - how did I not notice this is the only Troughton story not to start with "The" - even his 3 later appearances with the other Doctors all start like that as well!
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Post by mattg on Sept 19, 2020 20:46:42 GMT
Well my copy arrived a few days ago, miraculously survived Amazon’s inadequate packaging (one would think they’d take extra precautions with steel-books but no) and I’ve just watched the first episode... Initial impressions were a little mixed unfortunately. Not least because the opening sequence on the beach felt jarringly cruder compared to the now established standards of the animated range. Indeed, the Doctor and co look decidedly ‘low-res’ and move quite awkwardly. Jamie’s arms in particular seem almost gorilla-esque! That said, such subjective deficiencies were far less noticeable after the Tardis crew’s capture and subsequent incarceration. Regardless, everything else looks pretty good and the countenances of the main characters appear more refined, less caricatured than before. Fury’s Troughton certainly bares a far more faithful resemblance to the actor than in ‘Power. The only other aspect that stood out from the opening episode was the refinery control room. This formerly small, studio-restricted set now seems to have been ‘upgraded’ to the size of a football pitch! An odd embellishment (though admittedly it might pay off at the serial’s climax) especially as this prodigious expanse hasn’t exactly been filled with further equipment/people either. It’s just a wide, largely featureless space with a few technicians manning consoles along the periphery! Minor, debatable artistic gripes aside though the extras are excellent and plentiful, proving that at least someone at the Beeb still cares about Doctor Who!
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Post by RhysH on Sept 20, 2020 20:19:51 GMT
I watched it earlier in the week and enjoyed the story. I agree with the above that the animation is noticeably different to the earlier releases. Watching the making of documentary was interesting and hats off to them for their hard work during a crazy year we have all experienced.
However I am unsure about certain aspects of what they said in terms of their creative license to change some elements like the size of locations (as mentioned above), and the helicopter sequence to make it more dramatic. I think I am ok with those if I am honest. But it is the animation of the characters in long shot that is a bit distracting. The limbs do look out of proportion. In close up / half body shots, it's not an issue and the detail of animation is really strong. If they can just adjust the arm issue for future release, then we are in great shape.
Hope that doesn't come off too negatively - I am really grateful we have these releases so I get the chance to see stories I have never seen.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Sept 20, 2020 20:54:42 GMT
I've been dipping into the Steel-book's contents over the past week and I must say it's a resounding success!The animation is smooth and natural to the point you don't think that you're watching a substitute for long-lost live-action material. However,it's obviously helped by Mark Ayres' superb restoration from Graham Strong's original audio recordings and the strong characterizations of the leading cast.The extras are fascinating and surely the documentary The Cruel Sea must be one of the best and most beautifully filmed features on any Dr Who release.Another high quality animated release-roll on The Evil of the Daleks.Suddenly there seems to be a lot more classic Dr Who!
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Post by RhysH on Sept 21, 2020 10:42:24 GMT
The Cruel Sea was an excellent extra! Really enjoyed that - some great stories from all involved and definitely beautifully filmed like you say! Fantastic extra feature!
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Post by timmunton on Sept 21, 2020 14:28:57 GMT
I also thought it an excellent release (especially The Cruel Sea and the reconstruction by the LC team). The monochrome animation I thought was great despite the long bendy arms and the elongated sets - personally I'd have left the sets smaller and more appropriately claustrophobic, as in the original. Animation for the characters walking generally quite good (unlike in Power) - which goes a long way in making the long arms forgiveable.
Overall the animation worked really well as, although I can be somewhat critical of these things, if what I regard as the essentials are correct then I am very happy. And imo the most essential thing is getting the look of the Doctor's face right and here, nearly all the time, they have succeeded with that. Jamie and Victoria's likenesses although not as accurate still capture their essential spirit quite nicely.
So, re. the Doctor's face: It's important that it looks reasonably like him because otherwise I sort of feel like I'm not really watching "Doctor Who" (ie. the programme as well as the character). Because of this, for me, this makes it a lot better than The Faceless Ones animation where the Doctor looked like a nitwit a lot of the time, although in most other respects The Faceless Ones was probably better in terms of its animation. Don't get me wrong I still really enjoyed The Faceless Ones because of the overall animation, apart from the Doctor's face. So, for this reason I'd still consider Faceless Ones as one of the very best so far.
In terms of animation (rather than how much I like a specific story) I'd still rate The Moonbase as the best, followed by Fury (would be Faceless Ones second if not for the problem with the Doctor's likeness). Having said all this I still prefer a reconstruction and this one (& the recent Power/Faceless Ones recons too) really excells - steeped in the atmosphere of the originals.
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Post by Alan Hayes on Sept 22, 2020 17:17:40 GMT
Have watched up to Episode 5 of the animation (colour version) now, plus all of the reconstruction.
I have to say, while I applaud all the work that goes into the reconstruction, it still feels like a very empty experience when compared to the animation, which really draws me in effectively. There are some less than convincing aspects of the animation (namely the arms and general character anatomy) and a small number of unnecessary fannish in-jokes which I found distracting, but overall, these are small points and I've hugely enjoyed the animation. Those small drawbacks aside, I think it's right up there with the best produced to date and I do like the more realistic character design.
However, there is one strange decision that I was not happy with... Another small point, but... (spoiler)
When we get to the rig (aka Red Sands Fort) in Episode Five, it's a very much simplified version of the structure, with only two of the seven towers depicted, the others completely absent. This was one of the most impressive and unusual filming locations ever visited in Classic Who and it's a huge shame that the animation doesn't show it in all its faded glory. Considering the decision taken to open out the interior settings, it seems strange to make an external setting less impressive than it is in reality.
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