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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Nov 2, 2019 0:36:09 GMT
As much as I love the fact that these stories are being done for next year, I'm hoping, if they keep this up for the year after, that they'll have a crack at some of the Hartnells.
Galaxy Four, The Myth Makers, The Celestial Toymaker, The Savages and The Smugglers are among the episodes they HAVEN'T ruled out for animation, but of course The Daleks' Master Plan would be nice also.
Now while they HAVE initially ruled out DMP, it COULD potentially be possible to set it up as a two part release, so they could separate the 12 episodes into 2 production blocks, and either release them as 2 individual releases, or holding it off as a separate release.
But that's just a dream at the moment.
I dunno. Troughton IS my favourite Doctor, but I WOULD like these guys to try out a few Hartnell Stories. Myth Makers, Toymaker and Smugglers are very visual stories, and while Myth Makers' audio does provide a few laughs, it would be nice to see the bits that made us chuckle. But the latter two are so visual in their stories that it's hard to appreceiate them in audio or the Loose Cannon reconstructions.
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Post by scotttelfer on Nov 2, 2019 3:13:10 GMT
As much as I love the fact that these stories are being done for next year, I'm hoping, if they keep this up for the year after, that they'll have a crack at some of the Hartnells. Galaxy Four, The Myth Makers, The Celestial Toymaker, The Savages and The Smugglers are among the episodes they HAVEN'T ruled out for animation, but of course The Daleks' Master Plan would be nice also. Now while they HAVE initially ruled out DMP, it COULD potentially be possible to set it up as a two part release, so they could separate the 12 episodes into 2 production blocks, and either release them as 2 individual releases, or holding it off as a separate release. But that's just a dream at the moment. I dunno. Troughton IS my favourite Doctor, but I WOULD like these guys to try out a few Hartnell Stories. Myth Makers, Toymaker and Smugglers are very visual stories, and while Myth Makers' audio does provide a few laughs, it would be nice to see the bits that made us chuckle. But the latter two are so visual in their stories that it's hard to appreceiate them in audio or the Loose Cannon reconstructions. There's been a few comments about "audio quality" which I'm assuming rules out Galaxy 4 and The Myth Makers as they fall outside the Graham Strong and Randolph recordings.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Nov 2, 2019 16:39:06 GMT
As much as I love the fact that these stories are being done for next year, I'm hoping, if they keep this up for the year after, that they'll have a crack at some of the Hartnells. Galaxy Four, The Myth Makers, The Celestial Toymaker, The Savages and The Smugglers are among the episodes they HAVEN'T ruled out for animation, but of course The Daleks' Master Plan would be nice also. Now while they HAVE initially ruled out DMP, it COULD potentially be possible to set it up as a two part release, so they could separate the 12 episodes into 2 production blocks, and either release them as 2 individual releases, or holding it off as a separate release. But that's just a dream at the moment. I dunno. Troughton IS my favourite Doctor, but I WOULD like these guys to try out a few Hartnell Stories. Myth Makers, Toymaker and Smugglers are very visual stories, and while Myth Makers' audio does provide a few laughs, it would be nice to see the bits that made us chuckle. But the latter two are so visual in their stories that it's hard to appreceiate them in audio or the Loose Cannon reconstructions. There's been a few comments about "audio quality" which I'm assuming rules out Galaxy 4 and The Myth Makers as they fall outside the Graham Strong and Randolph recordings. If that's the case, then The Reign of Terror wouldn't have been animated, as the audio recording for Galaxy Four and Myth Makers originate from the same source as those. In some ways, they're superior, as Episode 4 of Reign is missing the first minute, which was taken from James Russell's recordings to fill the gaps in the Holman recordings used in those animations. Besides, a lot of time has past since those recordings have been remastered. Technology has only improved over the years, so I'm sure Mark Ayres will find a new way to refine the restoration techniques if the opportunity came up. One might say that the rules of audio quality may have been different at the time Reign came out, but honestly, the audio recordings are NOT in so poor a state you require subtitles to hear them. The costumes in Myth aren't so elaborate as those in The Massacre or the Crusade, and the first 3 episodes rely more on verbal humour than action (save for maybe two scenes), so an animation of that story is FAR from impossible, in terms of audio or visuals.
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Post by scotttelfer on Nov 2, 2019 22:06:45 GMT
There's been a few comments about "audio quality" which I'm assuming rules out Galaxy 4 and The Myth Makers as they fall outside the Graham Strong and Randolph recordings. If that's the case, then The Reign of Terror wouldn't have been animated, as the audio recording for Galaxy Four and Myth Makers originate from the same source as those. In some ways, they're superior, as Episode 4 of Reign is missing the first minute, which was taken from James Russell's recordings to fill the gaps in the Holman recordings used in those animations. Besides, a lot of time has past since those recordings have been remastered. Technology has only improved over the years, so I'm sure Mark Ayres will find a new way to refine the restoration techniques if the opportunity came up. One might say that the rules of audio quality may have been different at the time Reign came out, but honestly, the audio recordings are NOT in so poor a state you require subtitles to hear them. The costumes in Myth aren't so elaborate as those in The Massacre or the Crusade, and the first 3 episodes rely more on verbal humour than action (save for maybe two scenes), so an animation of that story is FAR from impossible, in terms of audio or visuals. The issue came up in the move from DVD to Blu-Ray, the audio compression is far superior and so flaws in the soundtracks are much more noticeable. Of course there is the obvious note that the Blu-Ray collections are coming out anyway so they are going to have to deal with the problems one way or the other and I'm sure they'll do an amazing job with it in spite of the restrictions. I can certainly see why they would want to prioritise stories in better shape, but this is an obstacle they are going to encounter in the coming years and the fans should be aware of it.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 3, 2019 1:36:45 GMT
I really don't see any story truly ruled out permanently to not get the animation treatment. How ever I do believe the easier ones will come first and once they have been released the BBC will take a further look at the hard to animate story's.
Look back to when "The Invasion" came out on DVD (2006) they said at the time if I remember correctly that they only got these episodes cause they had been produced for the BBCI web site and no others were going to be animated. But low and behold we got the missing bits of "The Ice Warriors", "The French Revolution", "The Tenth Planet" and "The Moonbase" cause they said they could only animate a story with at least a 50% survival rate and said it was to prohibitive to animate fully missing story's. Now flash forward 10 more years and we have completely missing story's available for sale. So I say BBC studios as a for profit entity will eventfully get around to the hard to animate story's but that will only happen after they knock out the easy to do ones first.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 3, 2019 8:49:35 GMT
Fury isn’t one of the easiest I would have thought.
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 3, 2019 19:10:51 GMT
Fury has telesnaps which are helpful in recreating many back ground details.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 4, 2019 15:10:01 GMT
True, but a fair bit of filming outside IIRC. Mind you, it’s been a long time since I watched it when it was originally broadcast!
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 4, 2019 21:36:21 GMT
Lucky you got to see it. Never televised in Los Angeles
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 5, 2019 12:47:18 GMT
That’s a good point. Sadly though I only remember it vaguely, which is odd as I remember Evil & Web in detail (which I happily confirmed with the Web recovery).
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Post by RWels on Nov 5, 2019 13:04:39 GMT
That’s a good point. Sadly though I only remember it vaguely, which is odd as I remember Evil & Web in detail (which I happily confirmed with the Web recovery). Yeah weird how that sometimes goes huh? I have some series that I could nearly recite despite having seen them only once, and others that I KNOW I watched but that left nearly no impression. (Not talking about because of quality.)
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 5, 2019 14:06:04 GMT
Yeah, it is weird. As you say there’s no rhyme nor reason to it, and for me the memories of TV understandably get more fragmented the further back I go, and you are absolutely right it’s generally not a program quality thing, it certainly appears that Fury ticks all the boxes but didn’t make the same impression at the time. Earliest television memories are Churchill’s funeral & bits of The Savages which I guess makes the point in a way, 😂
Oddly I remember watching the first episode of Power because we were staying with friends of my Parents in Croydon and they were still using a 9” screen early 1950’s single channel TV in the mid 60’s which seemed staggering to a young child. In reality it was only probably 13 years old, which is about the age of our plasma!
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Post by Robert Lia on Nov 5, 2019 22:22:45 GMT
Could it be that memory's of "Power of the Daleks" and "Evil of the Daleks" stick out more cause of the Daleks which have appeared in more story's. Also they to me at least they got a lot more press coverage in Doctor Who Magazine over the past 30 years than Fury did. Not to mention the 90's bumper paper back edition of those two storys and so on ?
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Post by Richard Develyn on Nov 6, 2019 9:01:01 GMT
There were two recollections from Fury which people who watched it at the time told me about. One was being told with a shudder that it was the story where the stuff was growing all over you, the other was how funny they thought it was seeing the look on the Doctor's face when he shoves a load of foam into Jamie's face.
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Post by richardwoods on Nov 6, 2019 16:02:27 GMT
Could it be that memory's of "Power of the Daleks" and "Evil of the Daleks" stick out more cause of the Daleks which have appeared in more story's. Also they to me at least they got a lot more press coverage in Doctor Who Magazine over the past 30 years than Fury did. Not to mention the 90's bumper paper back edition of those two storys and so on ? Possibly, much as I liked the Daleks, I was more of a Yeti fan though & it turned out that my recall of Web was pretty accurate when it eventually turned up. Let’s still hope more of Snowmen (or indeed anything else) is found.
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