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Post by simonashby on Jan 26, 2019 10:40:37 GMT
Despite it being very unlikely
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Post by simonashby on Jan 10, 2019 13:10:18 GMT
Some people just want to will these episodes into existence. By creating a technically plausible scenario, they back up their underlying desire and belief that they must somewhere exist - they must!
And whilst it is technically possible that more prints were struck, no-one can definitely know either way based on current sources. But because no-one can definitively put an end to speculation (i.e. lack of comprehensive official records) people will continue to let their imagination run away despite that reality offers nothing to back it up.
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Post by simonashby on Dec 24, 2018 14:58:11 GMT
Because most people aren't obsessed enough to care that someone might read into it.
I'd suggest you find a hobby.
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Post by simonashby on Nov 5, 2018 15:37:59 GMT
Ahhh! That's more like it!
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Post by simonashby on Nov 5, 2018 12:01:30 GMT
I'm a little puzzled. All that build up for 1 episode of Citizen James?
Not sure what the point of keeping that one back was. The two Morecambe and Wise episodes, which we already know about, are surely the bigger deal.
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Post by simonashby on Nov 3, 2018 11:40:55 GMT
I have to admit that this thread is a little bit specialised, even for me...
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Post by simonashby on Oct 23, 2018 23:08:29 GMT
I must check what PV actually said, need to listen to it sometime. However we know from PM that WoF3 existed in late 2011 when he got to Jos but when he returned after a year or so fighting the red tape it’d gone and I think he has a reasonable idea where it went. To cut to the chase, could what PV said just refer to WoF3? Paul said "a couple", so more than 1.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 23, 2018 21:33:06 GMT
It is indeed interesting. Either in that 30 years he has not seen evidence of it until now (therefore has nothing to say), or that some of these collectors are becoming more open to sharing the material. Maybe a mixture of both. He's always careful with his words and wouldn't share information without making sure that it was okay to do so. It does suggest a small step forward. A very small step forward, perhaps. It *might* suggest he has okayed putting that very insignificant bit of information into the public sphere, without any suggestion of a source, with a collector holding material, but frankly you don't even have to infer that much to explain it. A sufficiently self-possessed film collector presumably wouldn't mind at all reading or hearing a pronouncement of that sort - limited, anonymous, and equivocal on the issue of a future return - even if PV hadn't asked for permission first. Or it may be that this or that film collector simply doesn't move in ME circles, and wouldn't know anyway. (Or care, for that matter.) Either way, we're in a waiting game, so sit down, put the kettle on, and hit F5. Well, that's pretty much what I was saying. When I said that he wouldn't share information without making sure it was okay to do so, I meant that in the broadest possible sense. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that a film collector has given him a nod and wink to suggest a return. Not that I said that anyway. What has actually happened is impossible to quantify on existing evidence. The only thing we can deduce is that something has happened. On second thought, I am confident in saying that this is actually a step forward - at least 2 episodes have been identified and are known to be kept in good condition. Objectively that is good news.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 23, 2018 11:35:01 GMT
I believe that there was one confirmed case of this - an episode from the mid 80s. The master is now a VHS copy. Not sure if it extends beyond that one case, however. I believe this was discussed in more detail on here a while back - noting the fact that some masters of 80s episodes are in fact telercordings! Really? Like full blown colour telerecordings? I thought telerecordings were pretty much dead in the water by the late 70s? Just B/W. I believe the latest edition on this format is from 1981, although the latest record states that Blue Peter was last telerecorded in 1985 - I assume that a VT also exists. This was a topic that I touched upon a few years back and was surprised by the answer. Documentary makers were using TRs to edit VT segments into film productions into the early 90s, for assembly purposes only though - the proper VT would be edited in post production. If I remember correctly, an episode of Doctor Who: Survival (1989) was accidentally telerecorded when there was a tape mix up.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 22, 2018 17:01:47 GMT
It's not that it's particularly new. It's just that Paul Vanezis appeared on a podcast a little while ago and, when asked, responded that he knew of a few episodes in private hands. Which has been long suspected, but never publicly confirmed so far as I know. There's no indication that those episodes are any closer to being made available, but, well, that's where we are at the moment. Yes I am aware he did the podcast and what he said. The point I was making is that I find it interesting why he is suddenly discussing this, when for the last 30 years most involved with missing episodes have avoided making comments about private collectors. It is indeed interesting. Either in that 30 years he has not seen evidence of it until now (therefore has nothing to say), or that some of these collectors are becoming more open to sharing the material. Maybe a mixture of both. He's always careful with his words and wouldn't share information without making sure that it was okay to do so. It does suggest a small step forward.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 19, 2018 23:59:07 GMT
Now the simple question I ask, is, if in 2014 CBC still has rooms of unlabelled film cans which are basically uncatalogued, how could CBC be so definite on the fate of the Doctor Who episodes it held. Did all the episodes returned have labels? It could be postulated that CBC had the other episodes in labelless cans, couldn't find them as a result, and in order to avoid persistent future enquiries manipulated the records to show they had been destroyed in 1974. It has always struck me as very odd that episodes of The Aztecs and Reign of Terror were split between two storage sites. Sometimes things happen for very mundane reasons - maybe a bunch of items were scooped up and transferred to a different building. I would suggest that happens a lot. It's safe to say that these places weren't always very well organised. Heck, the my place of work moved a bunch of items from one unit to another to make some space, with a view to sorting it properly later. 12 months later and it still hasn't happened. Then again, you might be closer to the mark - an effort to stop requests. It could be a big task to sort through uncatalogued material and the people/person there simply didn't care enough. Or it could be something entirely different. I guess that this is one of the things Phil Morris has set out to discover.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 18, 2018 13:33:44 GMT
Can't comment on the condition of the episodes, but I am sure that only the 1 b/w episode existed as a home recording. That said, PM found one telerecording so it's possible he found others in better condition too, but he says nothing to that effect. We'll see! Well it would be an outstanding stroke of luck if he only found 1 Steptoe recording and it just happened to be the only 1 which was only available from domestic tape. Not sure there's any logic behind that (I mean, how do we calculate luck?!). But in any case, certainly very lucky regardless!
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Post by simonashby on Oct 18, 2018 13:29:16 GMT
I'd heard something about Blue Peter's archive status actually not being as good as it should be? Something about 2 installments per tape When the tape was backed up, only the 1st installment was actually backed up And the tape was then erased/junked/reused? Is that true? Or is it not Blue Peter but some other programme? Sorry to be so vague, but I'm not 100% sure on the details and curious to know more if anyone happens to have any clue what I'm rambling about I believe that there was one confirmed case of this - an episode from the mid 80s. The master is now a VHS copy. Not sure if it extends beyond that one case, however. I believe this was discussed in more detail on here a while back - noting the fact that some masters of 80s episodes are in fact telercordings!
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Post by simonashby on Oct 17, 2018 12:42:37 GMT
I'd also like to point out the obvious: The age of the label can be determined by the BBC logo - this label dates from the 1970s. If we are to assume that label stocks lasted a while, the BBC has been through 3 more corporate logo revisions since that logo. In other words, this can't be something that Phil has found. To my eye, that looks a lot more like the first slanted logo, which was used from 1963 to 1971. Are you saying it's the rounded off logo used from 1971-1992? Look at the lettering, that looks to me like BBC is in a clear empty box. And the edges are very hard. The rounded off logo, is not only more rounded as the same suggests, but BBC is in a filled in box. No, I meant the boxy logo. I wasn't going into too much detail as I don't think there's anything here anyway. On second glance at the photo, it says faintly at the bottom 'Please return to TV and Film Library Windmill Rd'. That is where the archive used to be before moving to Perivale in 2011. So that print was from the BBC archives. You can tell from the ageing on the labels that they're quite old too. Nothing to see here.
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Post by simonashby on Oct 15, 2018 12:01:58 GMT
The Aztecs exists on telerecording negatives which are the best available source possible, so any prints turned up are not going to be of any use - they are at least 1 generation down. The SE DVD looks much better as there is an 11 year gap between restorations. Not strictly true. I believe the first few minutes of episode one are from a lower generation copy as the telerecording is damaged? Also, didn't the "Next Episode" caption have to be removed from "The Day of Darkness"? And there's a slight cut during the scene of Ian in the flooded tunnel beneath the Tomb of Yetaxa, again possibly due to film damage. Correct, however I glossed over that as another print still doesn't assist the situation.
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