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Post by andyeves on Jan 16, 2021 13:52:54 GMT
I think you're rather seeing things that aren't there. Maybe I am, I am the kind of guy that always covers up or scribbles over those sorts of drawings so maybe I am just a little sensitive to them. Sorry for bring it up. Either way, if someone has draw on it, it means that at least someone had interacted with the film cans before. ... and TBH, I think you're reading far too much into the fact that it was WOF3 that was taken, especially as your theory is based on assumptions about the likely order of any piles (excuse phrase) when it was actually snaffled whilst in transit. Phil is totally convinced that the station manager was bribed, yet even he believes that WOF3 was a random tape selection.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 16, 2021 12:36:39 GMT
Well...as we all know, the last 7 barren years have been frustrating, and it may carry on that way, with or without the generosity of Film Collectors, but as we have all experienced,,we never know what might suddenly turn up. Now, daft as this sounds, I seem to remember an Interview with Phil where he was investigating the area in the desert in Nigeria where a great deal of film cans were dumped. Was this one big joke or did he actually follow through with it? According to Phil, he did actually go out with a JCB for that specific reason. I don't think he's ever confirmed the state of whatever he unearthed, or indeed whether he retrieved anything worthwhile ... although presumably not.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 15, 2021 15:11:31 GMT
Some very good points. WoF3 is very important in DW history. However, it’s not impossible that it was the top of the pile. Did PM take any piccies when he first got in? I have attached the only photograph of which I am aware. (Content Warning:) I have tried zooming in, but all I could see was that someone was trying to be funny on the fourth can down - not impressed. That only shows that they were in piles at some point, either before and/or after WOF3 was taken. There is nothing to suggest that at the point it was taken, it wasn't top of the pile (they could have been moved 2 tapes at a time, for example), or even that it was in a pile at all. As I said, my understanding from Phil's version of events is that it was taken whilst being moved.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 15, 2021 14:34:01 GMT
Phil said it was snaffled whilst they were being moved to another area for safekeeping ... which is what drew the station manager's attention to them. Therefore to draw conclusions about the likely or assumed arrangement of any such piles is highly tenuous, especially as it could even have been in the TIEA employee's arms when it was taken.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 15, 2021 6:16:07 GMT
Just wondering if anything new has come of this? To my knowledge, no. But there are some very keen chaps here who may have heard something that slipped past me. Thanks. Nothing. In the rather nice Richard Molesworth interview on Episode 70 of the Type 40 podcast in December, Richard said that he wasn't aware of any evidence that substantiates Philip's claim of six episodes in private hands. Richard Molesworth InterviewThanks for the link, Richard. It was particularly interesting to hear Richard M's opinion on WOF3 ... When Phil first revealed (in 2005) the real story behind WOF3, Paul V said on this forum: "My own theory is that the guy took a film off the pile so he could do a bit of research precisely because someone showed an interest in these old films. ... Once he'd done his research, realised what he'd got, he snaffled it away and denied all knowledge of it when further enquiries were made as to its fate. My personal belief is that the film isn't in the hands of a private collector, but still hidden, or possibly destroyed to protect the person who took it. No evidence, no crime. Whatever happened, I don't think we'll be seeing it anytime soon."missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/134470missingepisodes.proboards.com/post/134470/threadThat was my gut feel too, and I remember putting straight any assertions on forums that we know for definite that WOF3 still exists. However, my opinion changed with Phil's extreme confidence at Starburst Aug 2016: " But we’re on top of that. That is not going to stay missing for too long. So … we are working on that." ... even though Phil toned this down somewhat in last year's interview with: “ we do have an idea of where that episode is” Don't know whether Paul has been swayed by Phil's subsequent & seemingly thorough investigation, that resulted in his certainty that it is now in private hands. But it was interesting to hear that despite this, Richard M is still more of the opinion that the station manager destroyed it. It has made me once again question whether any assumption that WOF3 still exists is making far too much of an assumption. Phil is haunted by the fact that it was snatched from under his nose, and maybe his determination & certainty that he can still retrieve it is, well, the old “wishing it back into existence” syndrome! Regardless, I don't expect it to emerge during my lifetime.
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Post by andyeves on Dec 10, 2020 18:05:29 GMT
Here’s my festive ditty ‘though it may not be very witty. By way of explanation I was soon stuck for inspiration …
Good Phil Morris looked about For the Feast of Steven. Had he found it then the ME-count Would now be even. Brightly shone our hopes alright The omnirumour adding fuel. The ME-count still being 97 Is so-o cru-u-el.
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Post by andyeves on Dec 5, 2020 10:25:28 GMT
The seller is back in business: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16mm-Dr-Who-Daleks-Yeti-etc-1960s-Highly-Collectable/254798944045?hash=item3b5333572d:g:-UAAAOSwjfBfgKFU16mm Dr.Who 16mm negative film. Approx 300ft on 3 100ft reels originally. I gave put onto one bigger reel. Fan filmed off tv screen featuring Hartnell, Troughton Daleks Cybermen Yetis etc. Condition expected with age is good with slight vinegar smell on some footage. Quality varies from light to dark, scratches here and there. Collectors item.It's a relisting of the one that supposedly sold for £399 ... or maybe none of the his job lots sold in reality as the buyers never left feedback. This one has a greatly reduced starting price at £29.99.
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Post by andyeves on Nov 23, 2020 21:16:17 GMT
Didn’t Phil Morris claim he was going to ‘name and shame’ the enigmatic individual he believed was in possession of Web 3 a while back or did I just imagine/misremember that?! Regardless, if there was ever any truth to Web 3 getting sensationally smuggled out of Nigeria at the behest of some Blofeld type film collector then this announcement is hardly confirmation that the episode is irrevocably lost. Indeed, given that this will now be the third time the Beeb have milked Web’ they’ll hardly have any qualms doing so a fourth time in the event that the elusive episode 3 turns up! Go on then Beeb, take my money. Again. Addendum: ....or possibly not! Just watched the trailer and I’m not liking that CGI-augmented, disconcertingly smooth motion one bit. If that’s representative of the complete animated episode then I may not bother after all. I doubt that Phil will ever name-and-shame as the feedback from both him & Paul is that this would be counterproductive. The most recent interview I've heard (the one where he made the revelation about The Missing Six), he said about WOF3 “we do have an idea of where that episode is” ... which leads me seriously doubting whether the culprit (assuming he has identified the correct person) even admits to having it. Given these comments and the manner in which it was acquired, I’d rate WOF3 as one of the least likely of the six episodes to be returned during my lifetime. But if it were returned in a couple of years time say, I doubt whether the BBC would consider this latest animation a waste of money. Quite the opposite in fact as they would have milked WOF that be more.
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Post by andyeves on Nov 3, 2020 15:24:46 GMT
Winning bidder a**l. I was never any good at crosswords... Azal... obvs. Actually the winning bidder was a***l
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Post by andyeves on Nov 2, 2020 17:38:14 GMT
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Post by andyeves on Nov 2, 2020 5:07:31 GMT
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Post by andyeves on Oct 29, 2020 0:03:49 GMT
I guess we'll never know for sure. But my own personal opinion is that in all likelihood, the seller filmed these with a view to passing them off as 1960s off-screen footage (without ever guaranteeing it). But even if they were acquired in good faith from this widow, I find it highly unlikely that the seller hasn't verified whether any are of missing footage in the knowledge that they would have commanded a much higher price. But as you indicate, that's just pure guesswork on your part and none of it is verifiable. Personal suspicions don't make something a scam. Indeed, personal suspicions don't make something a scam. But we can all form our own personal opinion based on the known facts or even just gut feel, and there is plenty about this that causes me to conclude that in all likelihood, the seller is trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Just to clarify, I don't believe the theory that the previous bids have been sham bids to raise the price of future sales.
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Post by andyeves on Oct 28, 2020 23:10:03 GMT
To pull a scam. All the pics the seller has put up come from existing episodes. And where exactly is the scam? He's never said that any of the material is from any missing episodes. Given that it wasn't filmed in the 1960s but much later, it's not worth anything in the sense that it's unique material, but if someone wants to buy it as a curiosity, then it's up to them. People happily pay large amounts for the 16mm copies of episodes that Ian Levine had made in the 1980s that aren't materially worth all that much, so anything is worth what the buyer is willing to pay. And despite what you say, there's no evidence of shill bidding on these auctions. Depends on what one classifies as a scam, but I can think of plausible scenarios that would constitute a scam in my book. For example > the seller says "Please bare in mind these fan filmed off tv. I acquired them in a box from a keen cinephile couple years ago. According to his widow he filmed so much stuff from 50's, 60's and 70's." ... when they actually filmed these themselves or > they claim not to know whether any clips are of missing footage when they know damn well that none are I guess we'll never know for sure. But my own personal opinion is that in all likelihood, the seller filmed these with a view to passing them off as 1960s off-screen footage (without ever guaranteeing it). But even if they were acquired in good faith from this widow, I find it highly unlikely that the seller hasn't verified whether any are of missing footage in the knowledge that they would have commanded a much higher price.
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Post by andyeves on Oct 28, 2020 9:33:02 GMT
To pull a scam. All the pics the seller has put up come from existing episodes. Not a very clever scam. I mean, it's not as if anyone who knew about missing episodes wouldn't check those stills out. Richard Assuming their latest listing goes for its starting price then they'll have made around £800. Hence I think many would classify this as a very clever scam (which does of course rely on gullible buyers) ... if indeed it is a scam.
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Post by andyeves on Oct 26, 2020 2:52:45 GMT
Presumably ... that's how a long con works. Make it look legit, with some demand. Then drop something like "Marco Polo" - and the revenue would well exceed the eBay fees. No, I think that will be it for DW clips although the seller may try their hand with other classic TV series. I've been proven wrong already! www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Doctor-who-16mm/254759350657?hash=item3b50d73181:g:LnIAAOSwePdfldBM... but this is apparently the last. Listing also says "Will answer any questions but cannot tell if any are of missing episodes! Maybe but sold as collectors item for fans of Dr.Who!"
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