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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 14:13:14 GMT
As a matter of interest, have any figures been released (or is there a reliable ballpark figure) of how much these animations cost to produce, whether it be a full 6-parter (Power etc) or 4-parter (Macra) or singleton (WOF3)? Similarly, is there any indication of how profitable each of these animations have been?
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 13:15:45 GMT
What do you make of Paul V's statement yesterday that Phil thought getting WoF 3 was just a formality? Doesn't that suggest to you that he does know who has it? No, it suggests to me that Phil believed he could easily persuade the station manager to hand it over. Note that Paul V and Richard M are both on record as saying that their take on events is different to Phil's, and believe it is more likely that the station manager destroyed it or still has it. Richard also believes that Phil's judgement is clouded by being haunted by the fact that his actions led to its disappearance.
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 12:29:39 GMT
I distinctly remember hearing a story that the reason we lost WoF3 was because Phil told someone about his find. I might be wrong, of course, but I have that strong recollection. That’s what Phil is convinced of, but I’m not aware that he has anything to back this up. For me, it seems that the main cause was TIEA rather naively drawing attention to these tapes, by moving them to a secure area whilst that geezer was watching. Many years ago (in the pre-DVD era), my lodger used to keep all of his VHS tapes in the lounge. One day after I came home unexpectedly, he took one of them up to his bedroom. After he’d gone out, I located it and it was a home copy of the filthiest, most depraved porn … Had he left it with the other tapes, at least whilst I was present, I would never have thought to check its content. But he drew attention to it, which piqued my curiosity!
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 11:52:26 GMT
There can't have been *many* people who knew of the recovery before everyone else did, and who were therefore able to leap in and grab that one before the rest of them got back to the UK. (I do think this issue is a bit of a web-covered elephant in the room, BTW) It wasn’t necessarily sold to someone in the know of course, even though Phil seems convinced by this scenario (unless he has some info that strongly points that way). It could be that the station manager had been contacted by a random collector many years earlier, that should he ever come across any BBC tapes (or whatever) then he’d cross his palm with silver. Or he could have used the Internet to research and then to locate & offer it to a collector. On balance and with my limited knowledge of events, this last scenario would seem the most plausible. So I believe it is likely in private hands, more likely with a collector than a fan and Phil doesn’t know who has it. Regardless, I don’t expect that it will emerge in my lifetime.
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Post by andyeves on Aug 24, 2021 7:54:10 GMT
Do we believe that Phil knows who has WoF 3? Personally I don’t, and I’m also dubious whether he can really be as certain as he claims that it is indeed in private hands (as opposed to destroyed by the Jos station manager to cover up his crime). But who know what info he has. For example, he did say many years ago that they were checking with Jos couriers … Last interview that I heard about WOF3, Phil said they have “an idea” who has it, which he later followed up with a seemingly baseless tweet that one of the Fitzroy lot has it.
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Post by andyeves on Aug 15, 2021 7:41:55 GMT
Truth. This article predates 2016 when a film collector revealed they had a pristine 16mm copy of “Tunnel of Fear”. Hopefully there will be more. Philip Morris has said he knows of 6 missing Doctor Who episodes in the hands of private collectors. Morris hasn’t specified if this 6 he knows of includes the stolen third episode from Web of Fear. You can bet it does. I think you're correct as Phil appears convinced that WOF3 is in private hands. Whether in reality he's in a position to "know" this is another matter of course.
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Post by andyeves on Feb 3, 2021 10:58:53 GMT
It’s important to remember, and I’ve made the point previously, that “fan” comes from “fanatic” and it's not difficult to observe. There are far too many who are desperate, and I think that’s an appropriate term, for DW MEs to be found/returned. It can sometimes get nasty. Some have a, completely unfounded, belief in “entitlement” - they have an absolute right to see any ME immediately it’s found, and start throwing their toys out of their pram if it doesn’t happen. There have been close to, if not actually, defamatory things said about PM and completely ludicrous conspiracy theories perpetuated. It’s got to the stage where anything PM says, or does, is “interpreted” - and I suspect that silence would also be “interpreted”! Fundamentally the problem is that there are some extremely immature people around who are best ignored. Thankyou John for that pompous, ignorant label , judging everyone together, you may personally think the sun shines out of Phils bottom, some of us do not. I , for one, do not understand why, when you are in the position he is in...he does these things, its cruel and shouldnt be happening. So please dont get on your pedestal and judge the fans, maybe judge the perpetrator. Specifically what has Phil said or done that makes you so critical of him, that’s “ cruel and shouldn't be happening”? The only things that I’m aware of are fairly innocuous … but then I’ve not been following it particularly closely either, and you may be referring to things to which I have not been privy.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 31, 2021 17:23:37 GMT
Please can someone clarify what this (albeit cautious) optimism is based on?
I’m aware that the WOF DVD & Blu-Ray (but not the Steelbook) have disappeared from pre-order on Zoom, whilst still being available on other sites including Amazon. I’m also aware that in response to the current speculation, Phil has said that he “couldn't possibly comment”.
Is that it? Or am I missing something?
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Post by andyeves on Jan 30, 2021 21:10:39 GMT
Replies like this are what give people hope. If it turns out not to be 'Web of Fear, 3' then you have to really question what would motivate someone to hint in such a way. Perhaps Phil was just adding a bit of spice to the mix, because he knows that he only needs to wipe his arse for a great many fans to take it as a hint that he's found another missing episode ...
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Post by andyeves on Jan 30, 2021 16:01:40 GMT
This item topic has been posted, therefore there has to be a reason for it, or otherwise , why has it been posted? Im sure the Moderators , many of whom have links with Phil, wouldnt have allowed it , if it was just another wind up or it cheapens this site too and this site is far from. I think you're reading too much into things ...
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Post by andyeves on Jan 30, 2021 13:00:36 GMT
I suspect he has known exactly who had this print from Day 1, and fingers crossed, he has found it. I'd say it's more likely that he's no real nearer to knowing who has it than Day 1. He's always been convinced that the station manager was bribed by someone within whom he confided (or maybe someone who they then confided in), and presumably he is still of that opinion given that he recently pointed the finger at the Fitzroy lot. Who knows, maybe Phil's prime suspect is actually Ian Levine?!? He has a track record of holding on to missing episodes for an extended period, Phil was recently critical of him describing him (IIRC) as a "law unto himself", Phil may well have confided in him directly or indirectly, he presumably has the required set-up to store tapes safely, he knew that the pending return was 9 episodes of Web/Enemy before it was formally announced and presumably he was a member of the Fitzroy Crowd. Personally, I wouldn't rely on it being in private hands at all and if it is, it would seemingly make more sense to be with a collector rather than a DW fan.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 18, 2021 21:56:43 GMT
I don't think so, and I expect we'll have to wait until Phil eventually writes his book before it is revealed. My guess is that it was a non-DW episode. Such as the three I mentioned just above...? My impression from Phil's comments is that the additional tape was never returned by the station manager either, although he never has elaborated on its identity or its fate. Can't recall where Sky At Night episodes were recovered from (one was hidden under a carpet), but he recovered the two M&W episodes from Sierra Leone.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 18, 2021 21:19:30 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? I don't think so, and I expect we'll have to wait until Phil eventually writes his book before it is revealed. My guess is that it was a non-DW episode.
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Post by andyeves on Jan 18, 2021 21:11:02 GMT
Talking of which, I’m guessing the “something else” mentioned by PM that disappeared along with Web3 has never been revealed? Good point, also I'm often wondered if WoF3 was snaffled by a collector why not take the rest ? 11 ME's there, Phil definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria, I'm buoyed by the fact Dave Hoskin's Chasing Shadows book has never been published, so there's obviously stuff going on behind the scenes, Presumably because the station manager figured that if he snaffled just one or two of the tapes that Phil had identified for safekeeping then he may not notice, whereas if he took the whole lot then Phil would likely twig ... Has Phil "definitely hinted at there being more in Nigeria"? Please elaborate ... and indeed on why you believe there is "obviously stuff going on behind the scenes"? Thanks
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Post by andyeves on Jan 16, 2021 17:09:47 GMT
I can't see what you mean. Where's the attempted joke? If you zoom in, someone appears to have drawn a rude picture on the fourth film can from the top. I doubt it was Philip Morris, so even though it is rather unpleasant, it does mean that at least one person knew of and interacted with those film cans before they were "found" - even if just to draw something on some "old junk". Maybe it's a picture of someone's bottom rather than a thingy. That's where one would normally expect to find piles - LOL!
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