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Post by lousingh on Jun 1, 2014 18:57:07 GMT
This seems like as friendly a forum for this topic as anywhere.
At my last job, one of the reasons that the younger programmers thought I had no interest in keeping up-to-date with modern languages and frameworks was because I preferred old Doctor Who to the new stuff. Why those facts are related to each other, let alone how you can draw that incorrect conclusion from them is a mystery to me. How other people were somehow persuaded by it is even more of a mystery.
I always said I liked the longer, more developed serials because they usually had more depth and scope than the shorter stories did. So obviously, most new DW would seem a bit shallow to me by comparison. Moreover, few stories nowadays take place in the rest of the cosmos and not on Earth, which only increases the difference. (Aside: I hate that romance with the Doctor has looked as shallow as it is on rom-con shows.) Heck, I even like the new stuff, just not nearly as much.
I know this does happen on the odd fan board or wiki, but I was wondering how common this is on fan boards and offline when you interact with real people. The only other evidence I have is the very condescending attitude DWM has towards the old series.
Thanks, everyone.
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Post by lousingh on Jun 1, 2014 18:07:59 GMT
Thanks, Greg.
It has been easier to get lost for us DW fans because 2013 was so eventful. Even so, I actually think getting caught up in the frenzy is somewhat of a good thing because we have renewed hope that more can be recovered and that we can see what others have been raving about all these years.
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Post by lousingh on Jun 1, 2014 17:56:48 GMT
For me, it depends on how much attention I can pay to it. If I am watching at home, the straight telesnap recons are for me. Because I can listen at work and sneak a peek every now and then, I like the ones with the audio narration there.
I really like how people have been enhancing the recons with clips. For instance, I love seeing Patrick Troughton portray The Doctor's increasing desperation and frustration at the cliffhanger of TPotD2.
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Post by lousingh on May 19, 2014 22:01:11 GMT
As long as there are parts of episodes missing, I will be hoping for more recoveries. We have found out that film in even very unfavourable weather and such can be recovered and restored. So 50 years is a long time, but maybe something else turns up. If I didn't hope, I wouldn't be here.
I also agree that recoveries will be coming in from unexpected angles. Anyone else here remember the find of "The Tomb of the Cybermen"? That literally came out of nowhere. Yes, it is far less likely now, but still, it will take more time to sift through all sorts of film out there.
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Post by lousingh on May 19, 2014 21:53:59 GMT
Something strikes me as off with the animations. I don't know why. I guess I can just put in my mind what the story looks like. Maybe as animations get even better, I might go the other way.
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Post by lousingh on May 19, 2014 21:51:28 GMT
I like having the audio added to the recon to describe action sequences without dialogue. It just helps me out.
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Post by lousingh on May 13, 2014 16:34:34 GMT
Had the session tapes and then an authorised re-release not happened, "Smile" by The Beach Boys would have been at the top of this list. I know (as in, 'friends of mine have allowed me to listen to their copies of their bootlegs') of one by Neil Young, the infamous "The Sicilian Defence" by the Alan Parsons Project (was on YouTube last night if you want to take a look [track titles are each of the first 6 full moves of the Classical Variation]), and one by Prince that the label rejected. Heck, "Chinese Democracy" by Guns & Roses would have made this list 5 years ago. Yes, I know you rumour was a joke, but it could be true. That's my point. Some of us have listened to music others have not, just as some of us have seen extant material of Doctor Who which are no longer in the BBC archives. Thanks Lou - i will sleep easier now ;o) And yes, I had the Chinese Democracy Demos years before the album came out. If only some lost TV as well! You are welcome. There are lots of pop music sites that keep track of these things. I lived in the world of Beatles bootlegs. I loved hearing all those demos of songs that they wrote and tested for other groups plus stuff they recorded and didn't bother to release. I also heard lots of other music out there that hasn't been released. It's really cool when you get to hear them.
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Post by lousingh on May 13, 2014 16:27:51 GMT
Lou, do you really believe that there are individuals out there have access to and have viewed material currently known to be missing? And in what context? Yes - me for one. Remember that long thread when I started here that people were slamming me for? I stated there that I had seen a little bit. Moreover, I mentioned that several people claimed to own at least half of the missing episodes at the time; if true, that would mean at least 32 more episodes are "known" to exist.
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Post by lousingh on May 10, 2014 18:42:02 GMT
along similar lines I know of an unissued album by a well known band that fans have wanted released for decades ! from time to time rumours abound that 'something' is happening....only for everything to go quiet again...then later more rumours, then nothing the hold up in this case I know is down to MONEY - arguments over royalties, percentages, and legal issues about residues etc....with some ex-members of the band having songs on the album - members who are still not on good terms with other members etc, thus very delicate negotiations are required and nothing moves quickly in legal circles (plus the record company changed hands too and new owners and their legal bods are now in the frame too - they need to be convinced that a 'market' exists for an 'out of time' vintage album release) thus the much sought after by fans unissued album remains firmly 'in the vaults' for now....yawn !! so it might well be the case here that any number of issues that we don't know about may apply re this 'omnirumour' thing too - and it could take years to finally resolve things if a number of parties with vested interests are involved (BBC, Phil Morris company, Private collectors, etc) so we will just have to wait & see - IF missing episodes have been recovered these parties are all aware that in the case of Dr.Who alone those episodes are of great value, which should at least keep the negotiations going as at some point people involved WILL want some financial reward, we can be certain of that (& DVD sales of the two 'lost' Troughton stories recovered prove the awaiting market is there) we just aren't informed enough to talk in 'absolutes' re whether the omnirumour is true or not - but so far the notable lack of FIRM outright 100% denials would suggest that 'something' may indeed be going on...(??) At the risk of going way off topic - which group is this? I like my music trivia, and couldn't think who this would be. Cheers!! Had the session tapes and then an authorised re-release not happened, "Smile" by The Beach Boys would have been at the top of this list. I know (as in, 'friends of mine have allowed me to listen to their copies of their bootlegs') of one by Neil Young, the infamous "The Sicilian Defence" by the Alan Parsons Project (was on YouTube last night if you want to take a look [track titles are each of the first 6 full moves of the Classical Variation]), and one by Prince that the label rejected. Heck, "Chinese Democracy" by Guns & Roses would have made this list 5 years ago. Yes, I know you rumour was a joke, but it could be true. That's my point. Some of us have listened to music others have not, just as some of us have seen extant material of Doctor Who which are no longer in the BBC archives.
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Post by lousingh on May 9, 2014 1:31:30 GMT
The time I admit it's over is either when I have every frame of Doctor Who ever broadcast sitting on a digital medium I purchased legally so that the proper people get their share of the money or when I die - whichever comes last. :-)
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Post by lousingh on Apr 27, 2014 21:29:55 GMT
By not announcing anything during Easter, PM/BBC may have succeeded in deflecting publicity away from their efforts and negotiations, so allowing them to get on with them in peace.... I agree with this. I really think any negotiations are far more delicate than we may think. For all we know, someone is holding onto those episodes like his life depended on it and then, once he saw how much the BBC made on the release of The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear, raised his price substantially.
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Post by lousingh on Apr 27, 2014 21:23:44 GMT
Please don't ever quote from 'The Nanny' again. It just makes us ALL less intelligent. Sorry, bubeleh. One other anti-Who point for broadcasters was the serial format. In the US, the only serials were largely in daytime soap operas, which had a horrendous reputation. They would have preferred uniform length stories in the "omnibus" format that dominated US sales in the 1980's. Unfortunately, that also meant that the stories were no longer very uniform in length, which would force most stations to broadcast Doctor Who at night. But then the targetted age group is fast asleep by then...
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Post by lousingh on Apr 23, 2014 13:31:50 GMT
As a child in the 1970s, I would watch Ch. 56 (in Boston) on Saturdays when they aired "Creature Double-Feature." It was a widely syndicated package of B&W horror/sci fi films (BOTH of the giant tarantula movies), the color vampire movies from Hammer, and color AND B&W Japanese monster movies and sci fi. It was the best thing in the whole wide world. I suspect a LOT of stations (especially small ones) would have offered B&W anything at least until about 1976. In 1976, America had its bicentennial. Most people had color TVs by then, but the whole red, white and blue jammed down your eyes 24/7 reached its apex then, and the holdouts finally forked out for color I think that the biggest drawback would have been expense. BBC shows were not cheap, especially having to pay high clearance fees. This would have deterred most stations from broadcasting Who. This was even the case in the 1980's on small market PBS stations. And Rob's message... In 1980, I spoke with the people at Channel 17 in Buffalo about the cost of Doctor Who. In 1973, the prices were apparently astronomical. By 1977, the BBC had lowered the price considerably. But then they saw how much money places like Buffalo, Chicago, etc. were making off the show and then the prices shot up again. IMHO, it is reasonable to infer that cost was part of the issue for both PBS and independent stations. Also, the attitude in the US towards British TV is best summed up by this exchange from "The Nanny": Niles: Yes, let's try to capture that elusive letter "r". Fran: What? Max: Your accent. It's so (beat) odd. Niles: Inescapable. Fran: I don't see an "r" coming out of your mouths. Max: That's because we're British. Niles: Yes, we can say anything we like and people think it's Shakespeare. (Max and Niles look at each other and chuckle smugly.) So most programmers would have seen, "Doctor Who" and "science fiction" and assumed it was a high-brow, cutting-edge medical show. That's why my parents were OK with me watching it initially. Never mind that "The Avengers" and "The Prisoner" had already been on American TV. Which leads me to: A disincentive for non-PBS stations to buy Doctor Who would have been the wildly varying episode lengths (in this sphere, 23-25 minutes is "wildly varying") and lack of commercial breaks. Editing these was done locally and was a cost, so you would have also had that problem as well.
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Post by lousingh on Apr 15, 2014 21:24:21 GMT
I'm just wondering what it would have been like if the BBC sold DOCTOR WHO in AMERICA in the early 60's. Would we have more copies of those episodes. I've often wondered why that didn't happen. I grew up in Chicago, and I'm telling you it would have been great as a Friday - Saturday late night program. Back then there were the 3 networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, that were nationwide, then there were the local PBS stations and your local commercial station, ours was WGN, and later WTTW, on UHF. WGN showed locally produced kid shows, news, and talk shows in the day, and mostly syndicated reruns at night, and movies late night. Dr Who would have taken off like a rocket. Oh well, what might have been. Remember that there was no PBS in the US until 1970. Who the heck would have purchased Doctor Who in the 1960s? Independent stations were scattered all over the country - many on a shoestring budget that looks like Al Yankovic's characters' shows in "UHF". PBS stations had very limited budgets for many years. 1973 or so would have been the earliest that Doctor Who could realistically have been on in the US. Even so, there was such a bias in the American media at the time, so not only would the PBS stations have been reluctant to buy B&W episodes, but BBC would have been reluctant to sell B&W episodes. It's kind of a shame because I was eating up science fiction at the time - even "Man from Atlantis" and "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea."
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Post by lousingh on Apr 5, 2014 23:10:46 GMT
Ian levine challenges Mr Morris to a TV style debate about the wrongs and rights of giving episodes back !!! Please tell me you're kidding.
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