darcysmart
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Post by darcysmart on Mar 9, 2014 2:28:48 GMT
What Missing Stories do you think get an overrated/underrated reputation due to their absence in the archives?
My Votes:
Overated: Marco Polo I just can't get into it, while obviously I'd love to see it returned I don't understand the huge amount of love it gets.
Underated: The Underwater Menace: I actually love this story, but it gets a terrible wrap due to EP3 being so.... "Naff"
Also, The Space Pirates. The things I'd do to see it returned....
What are your thoughts?
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Post by mattplace on Mar 9, 2014 3:40:07 GMT
Underrated - The Abominable Snowmen.. always preferred it to Web of Fear.. and I love WOF Overrated - The Macra Terror
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Greg Glenn
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Post by Greg Glenn on Mar 9, 2014 4:49:47 GMT
Hard for me to rate something I haven't seen.
But I will say Reign of Terror is/was overrated. So...very...slow. Probably my least favorite Hartnell. Doesn't matter to me if the missing eps. are ever found or not.
It's the only serial so far that even my kids found boring.
They were glued to the screen for Web of Fear.
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darcysmart
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Post by darcysmart on Mar 9, 2014 6:08:29 GMT
Hard for me to rate something I haven't seen. But I will say Reign of Terror is/was overrated. So...very...slow. Probably my least favorite Hartnell. Doesn't matter to me if the missing eps. are ever found or not. It's the only serial so far that even my kids found boring. They were glued to the screen for Web of Fear. Certainly doesn't help that Reign's Animation is the clumsiest thing since the Dalek Spaceship in Invasion of Earth.
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Post by Paul Edwards on Mar 9, 2014 6:31:48 GMT
What Missing Stories do you think get an overrated/underrated reputation due to their absence in the archives? What are your thoughts? Overrated: Marco Polo and (I sob) Fury from the Deep Underrated: The Savages, The Faceless Ones
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 9, 2014 6:51:06 GMT
Overrated- Marco polo, Slow paced, and way over long. Underrated- Savages and Macra Terror................
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Post by DavidGreene on Mar 9, 2014 7:05:39 GMT
I do have to admit I find Fury from the Deep a bit overrated but moreso as a case similar to Tomb of the Cybermen. I also think the Abominable Snowmen is underrated but as a case where it's just kind of forgotten (in comparison to other missing episodes) moreso than anyone thinking it's a bad story
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Post by barryb on Mar 9, 2014 11:34:27 GMT
I feel the most underrated is the Massacre, brilliant script (in france) - quality
also faceless one.
let us not forget many people voted enemy one of the worst.
overrated - Tomb of the Cybermen suffered greatly from being found, it was highly regarded as one of the three greatest ever in the 80's and early 90's before it was found - that was quickly reassessed. (I do like the story)
overrated - The Moonbase and Galaxy four - ep 3 being found did it no favours
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Post by Greg H on Mar 9, 2014 12:22:11 GMT
This thread will likely court controversy I think Marco Polo, The massacre, celestial toymaker are likely overrated. I suspect that celestial toymaker would rank along with the gunfighters in my own personal ranks of doctor who that I avoid watching! I think the wheel in space and the space pirates are likely underrated. I suspect that season 5 would be an 'end to end burner', I rather thought that was a widely assumed position, but looking at this thread, perhaps it's just me, so I will add in abominable snowmen and fury from the deep, which I suspect would be two of the primest cuts of 60s who if we could see them!! I reckon probably the equal of the web of fear, or pretty close at any rate I must have listened to the audios a thousand times..............
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Post by garysrothwellx on Mar 9, 2014 12:49:35 GMT
Celestial Toymaker, from reading many threads on here seems to occupy the position of being both very overrated and very underrated. For me, i have enjoyed the audio so wonder whether the visuals will do it justice.
Having never seen Power or Evil (although have the adio) given the amount of love they have - there is the risk of them been seen as a disappointment on return if they dont live up to expectation (see Tomb). That's not my personal opinion by the way, i fully expect them to be great
On my personal underrated items I have those that i have found it hard to engage with purely on audio, so Massacre, Smugglers, Highlander (sorry) - so with the visuals i expect an increase in appreciation.
I also expect Myth Makers would be seen far higher in the list were it to be found.
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Richard Develyn
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Post by Richard Develyn on Mar 9, 2014 12:58:40 GMT
I'm not sure whether anybody rates Toymaker or not, but I really struggled writing the script for this when we were thinking of reconstructing it.
I think quite a lot DMP is overrated. I've never been able to get into Massacre or Space Pirates either, though I'm not sure whether that means they're overrated or underrated. We'll have to wait and see :-)
Snowmen and Highlanders are underrated, IMO, as was Menace. Macra 1-2 is underrated, 3-4 is overrated :-) Fury 1-4 is excellent but I think 5-6 will disappoint. Wheel 6 does not reflect the story as well as wheel 3 does (apart from some silly acting with the goo-gun) so I think that story is underrated too.
Richard
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Mar 9, 2014 15:06:53 GMT
Krotons,Dominators,Space Pirates-all underrated!I listened to The Celestial Toymaker quite recently and found it an interesting,fast-paced serial-if it turned up I would say it would have to be re-evaluated just like EOTW.So,Toymaker also underrated.Seriously overrated however is Edge of Destruction,which I would readily exchange for some DMP telesnaps!
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Simon Collis
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Post by Simon Collis on Mar 9, 2014 15:52:33 GMT
let us not forget many people voted enemy one of the worst. Couldn't agree more - until / unless things are returned we can't really judge. Enemy wasn't really on my radar as a missing story (that would be Macra or Marco) until it came back. Now my top two are Enemy and Genesis of the Daleks, and to be honest, and I think Enemy just edges into the top slot for me But to get back on topic overrated - probably Marco, the length of it makes me feel that, like so many big 60s stories, there's a nice 4-parter struggling to get out underrated - quite possibly The Space Pirates. Only because I recently watched the modern one with pirates in it and thought it was damn fine (that said, I'm such a sucker for the puffy-shirt-brigade I even enjoyed Roman Polanski's Pirates! so much I bought the soundtrack... so maybe I'm biased)
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Post by Richard Tipple on Mar 9, 2014 17:06:05 GMT
Surprised a lot of people think Marco Polo could well be overrated.
I do hope we are soon in a position to see. Personally I think the visuals could be spellbinding and it'll live up to its hype.
We live in hope!
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Post by shellyharman67 on Mar 9, 2014 17:12:42 GMT
Surprised a lot of people think Marco Polo could well be overrated. I do hope we are soon in a position to see. Personally I think the visuals could be spellbinding and it'll live up to its hype. We live in hope! I think 7 could be a drag. Slow paced if you like that thing. Could be a story that starts well, drops off a bit and then picks up. I think Enemy suffered this a bit.
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