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Post by lousingh on Oct 17, 2014 16:09:47 GMT
Great article, Greg.
Because we have nothing definitive about the purported trove of overseas films that someone has or may have had, I am trying to stay as clear-headed and neutral as others. Like the underground market for music, I have heard or seen stuff over the years that gives a tantalising hint at what was still out there. So, unlike other here, I hold out a lot more hope for more episodes to be returned than others.
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Post by lousingh on Sept 18, 2014 22:44:02 GMT
Just thought I'd bump this thread up a bit. I can think of a few stories that would hold Holy Grail like status if they were missing. An Unearthly Child The Daleks The Dalek Invasion of Earth The Chase The War Games I am sure that there are others that could be included on this list. I deliberately left out stories like The Tomb of the Cybermen and the Time Meddler as they were previously missing from the achives. I don't know about The Chase. Before I got to see it, I saw The Keys of Marinus - which is OK but feels like it could have done more with its premise. I always thought The Chase was The Keys of Marinus with Daleks. I would have put The Mind Robber up there. And, if we want to go into the Pertwees (considering that many of those were missing until the overseas returns to the BBC), I would add Spearhead from Space, Terror of the Autons, The Daemons, Day of the Daleks, and The Three Doctors. Aside: According to an article on cracked.com, the entirety of Monty Python's Flying Circus would have met the same fate had not a couple of the troupe purchased copies from the BBC. Can you imagine if THAT had been lost too?
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Post by lousingh on Sept 14, 2014 22:23:02 GMT
Good luck, Ian.
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Post by lousingh on Sept 14, 2014 22:21:06 GMT
I think sadly they should have gotten it out a long time ago. When um2 was found, there was a lot of media excitement. If they offered a package with two new animations and a newly found episode within a year of recovery. I think it would have done amazing, While I believe if still released it would do great, I think it has become old news and if they go cheap with a telesnap recon, it will not help. I would have been perfectly happy with recons of episodes 1 and 4. I still don't get the BBC's thinking on this unless they know something about the other episodes that we don't.
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Post by lousingh on Sept 13, 2014 0:04:12 GMT
Indeed it is a PC world. But what people have to remember is time and context. We cannot always compare attitudes of yesteryear with today's values. The Looney Tunes box sets have disclaimer stating that some of the cartoons will not be suitable for general viewing.In fact the first release had an introduction from Whoopi Goldberg talking about changing attitudes. I would much rather have that than the toons be edited or revised - like the Tom & Jerry ones have been. We travel through time and do not always notice the changes as they are relatively slow. But when tou look at a TV show from back in the day - like the Sweeney for example - I cretainly found myself saying 'We wore clothes like that?!' But when I lived in those times it was the accepted culture/fashion of the time. Alan I agree with this 100%. When I watch "The Crusade" (boot black face) or "The Moonbase" (sexism with Polly), I always try to keep in my mind what the standards were of the era. Otherwise, I would find it hard to watch these stories. Children of my friends and family find my ability to watch some of these stories or Looney Tunes / Merrie Melodies beyond their comprehension. I have to tell them one of the best quotes I have ever heard, although we were talking about the influence of the arts on culture: "You have to remember everything in context. Nothing truly exists outside its own era the way it did in its own era. Remember that 'Please Please Me' wasn't just novel - it was Earth-shattering." --- John Nathan-Turner, August 1985. The same applies from anything even 10 years ago. And you should see their reaction when I watch silent films with even more overt racism and sexism on display.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 26, 2014 17:25:48 GMT
I likes that Capaldi reminded me a little bit of Pertwee and even more of Hartnell. What was very surprising was that his little flourishes that initially set apart each Doctor all reminded me most of Peter Cushing and his delivery reminded me of what I have heard of Trevor Martin. As for the story, well, it was OK.
There was a preview last week on NPR for the premiere. I wonder how many kds who watch it now has parents who laughed at Doctor Who fans like me when they were their kids' ages.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 14, 2014 13:13:20 GMT
Far as I know, nothing ever made it over there *legally* - and with Vlad the Dictator in power, we may never know unless England wants to become a playground for Russian organised Crime Lords. On the other hand, 2000 kg of plutonium have been lost from the old CCCP, so you never know.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 14, 2014 13:06:53 GMT
Until something at least semi-official comes out, I would be suspicious of anything like this because this would be a great way to rip people off.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 14, 2014 13:03:28 GMT
I'd have to re-listen to every recon before I made this decision. I would pick "The Power of the Daleks" as the complete story and I would want "Mission to the Unknown" to be a stand-alone episode.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 5, 2014 17:52:10 GMT
Some of us are old enough to remember the original transmissions! You are so lucky. I so envy people who can claim this. I had an old classmate who could remember the initial transmissions of "The Evil of the Daleks," among others. I loved listening to him wax eloquent about kids imitating Daleks playing Trains at school.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 4, 2014 22:46:37 GMT
However - if I claimed to have found a mushy Pertwee ep - pretty sure I'd be expected to answer questions. Not being rude, but, why exactly? I can answer this. Several people I know, including a couple of people on this board, have seen a nearly flawless colour copies of Terror of the Autons and The Daemons. The problem is that none of us have them and it's been ages since anyone I know has seen them. And I fully expect to get grilled even though the last time I saw them was in 1987 just like I was for the bits of The Dalek Master Plan and The Power of the Daleks. Why? Some people won't believe you no matter what and they will try to discredit you. There are those who don't believe you but want to, so some people are going to grill you for specific. People who are hoping against hope that there is more out there, and these kinds of statements are going to bring the overly-jubilant out of hiding to ask tonnes of questions.
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Post by lousingh on Aug 1, 2014 18:59:48 GMT
I find the complaints about padding strange. In season 6, the most obvious episode of padding (Episode 1 of The Mind Robber) is also one of the best episodes of Doctor Who. No one ever complains about it even though it is almost completely superfluous. :-)
We also need to remember something VERY important about 1968-70: virtually everyone who had a television was watching the moon shots. When you are used to watching for hours while 8kb (!) of computer RAM guide people in space - and the most exciting thing is someone doing the error computations of the actual trajectory and fuel burn against the theoretical one - you have no problem buying into stories running very long. Indeed, it would seem unrealistic if The Invasion or The Space Pirates were paced like post-revival Doctor Who. Indeed, I already know I am different on this: I *like* episode two.
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Post by lousingh on Jul 31, 2014 15:36:36 GMT
I voted for "The Invasion."
As several people noted, this season has some excellent individual episodes that stick out more than usual. Episode 1 of "The Mind Robber," Episode 6 and 8 of "The Invasion," Episode Five of "The Seeds of Death," Episode Five of "The Space Pirates," and Episodes Nine and Ten of "The War Games" stand out for me. IMHO, "The Invasion" is the most satisfying of the bunch.
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Post by lousingh on Jul 24, 2014 23:35:53 GMT
First, thanks for everyone with the first hand information who can fill in the details. I want to add that we as fans who are more interested in the recovery of missing episodes should know that the paperwork may have been filled out, but occasionally stuff doesn't get to where it was supposed to. Otherwise, there would be nothing to find. I agree with everyone about the negotiations. It can be a long time between discovering that the episodes exist, the actual procurement of them, the double-checking of their actual existence and condition, the restoration of the episodes, and then the actual announcement of the find. Depending on the conditions, this can take quite a while. This is the only bit of the process I don't really understand - why the announcement is only ever after all stages are complete. I've never understood why the finds can't be announced immediately after the prints are back in the UK - before any restoration takes place. Fans know that the restoration takes time, and won't expect them to be immediately available. One reason is that if you have dodgy prints, you would have the option of trying to extract better copies from others out there - assuming they exist in the first place. Besides, we saw the frenzy people had over The Enemy of the World and The Web of Fear. Can you imagine if they got something, announced it, and then discovered the print was, to use Phil's term, "mush"?
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Post by lousingh on Jul 24, 2014 22:16:55 GMT
What I felt was the best part of Eccleston was that he wanted to be The Doctor. As I recall, he tried to audition for the 1996 movie too.
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