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Post by Ace St.John on Jul 9, 2023 14:05:05 GMT
Regarding how the DMP3 clip was technically utilized in the 25/10/71 edition of Blue Peter and also how a clip of DMP4 was inserted into the montage of clips for the 5/11/73 10th anniversary edition of Blue Peter - and how the vision mixer in the gallery would have achieved this: Is there any paperwork to suggest how it was telecined during the VT studio recording of the programme? Highly unlikely. Even in the script, it would just say to "Run Telecine" at that point. I'm not quite sure what you mean by " how it was telecined" though. Cheers Richard that's what I guessed would be the case. I was just wondering seeing as the clips were part way through the episodes in question if the paperwork would have existed to whether they had wound the film to the intended point and cued before telecined or if they were either copied from negative then spliced or simply spliced from an existing print. Like you say most likely the paperwork would simply say "Run Telecine" with no specifics as to preparation of the piece of film used.
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Post by Ace St.John on Jul 9, 2023 13:29:48 GMT
Regarding how the DMP3 clip was technically utilized in the 25/10/71 edition of Blue Peter and also how a clip of DMP4 was inserted into the montage of clips for the 5/11/73 10th anniversary edition of Blue Peter - and how the vision mixer in the gallery would have achieved this:
Is there any paperwork to suggest how it was telecined during the VT studio recording of the programme?
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Post by Ace St.John on Jul 9, 2023 13:26:23 GMT
Total respect to everyone here but I was dissapointed to find sorta house of parliament style bickering
Please gentlemen. You all made valid and interesting points, ideas, theories about what may or may not have happened with DMP4 after use in Blue Peter .
Please keep on topic unless you create a thread on interpersonal interaction and sociological behavioural communication!
Emperor Dalek: NO fighting in here!!! Repeat no fighting in control chamber .
Absolute respect to everyone here please honoroubably keep it cyber logically and unemotionally factual where possible cheers
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Post by Ace St.John on Apr 9, 2023 1:24:15 GMT
The last broadcasts of the missing episodes were in the mid 70s, in Nigeria and Zambia. (Last one being The Space Pirates in 1976). At this time, videotape was first becoming available. Is it possible that these episodes exist on domestic video tape recorded at the time? with any luck we'll have the space pirates completed to have season 6 as the most complete season with two episodes missing from The Invasion then that would leave season 6 on par with season 2
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Post by Ace St.John on Mar 10, 2023 2:58:48 GMT
It's always bothered me that, while people will say that the Blue Peter production office supposedly made an error and sent the TP4 film to Enterprises, nevertheless it was the only episode of that serial which was destroyed (if it was). The fact that the rest of the serial survived suggests that Enterprises had not issued a destruction order for that serial. But if it went missing, it clearly went missing in London. So its most likely location today would be London or the home counties, rather than overseas. Since the BBC existed in scattered premises all over London, London is always going to be the logical place to look. Since Enterprises had offices outside London, for instance in Bath, that would also be a logical place to look. Must we always assume that there is more joy to be had in Algeria? The TP4 film came from Enterprises, so to return it there wouldn't have been a mistake. They were still offering the whole story for sale the following year, though it's possible they didn't realise episode 4 had been mislaid, if not deliberately junked. Sadly it's probably long since lost or destroyed. Even if mislaid I would have thought they might have still kept the negatives if still being offered for sale
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 21, 2023 23:46:13 GMT
A few years ago I had seen location film from DW on eBay. I think maybe Colony in Space was one of them and Ressurection of the Daleks possibly
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 20, 2023 0:20:18 GMT
I didn't know that all the classic TARDIS sets had the same doors wall? I thought there was a complete rebuild mid-Tom Baker for season fifteen. The doors weren't shown in The Tomb of the Cybermen, the opening shot shows the Doctor, Jamie and Victoria entering the TARDIS from their point of view. The doors would have been shot on film a few stories later for The Enemy of the World where a split screen was needed before Salamander was sucked out of the TARDIS. The wall with the doors and the doors themselves had the new roundels stuck inside them. The metal frame they were built on was very strong construction. With the opening mechanism also. They were definitely the same used throughout apart from the secondary control room season 14
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 16, 2023 10:54:58 GMT
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 15, 2023 23:16:38 GMT
It’s all listed in Richard Molesworth’s book, Wiped! Ahhh hah!!! Hey and I bought this one .the latest edition!!! Will dig this one out to check actually. Cheers for the reply Richard ... Adding to this that there could be developments since this publication. Recently Paul Vanezis said in an interview - which I will try and post here after this- Paul said that they were looking for some A/B rolls which they scanned in SD never imagining back then that they would be releasing classic who in HD. And that some of these were in hands of private collectors some of whom had wanted to loan to be copied and had previously mentioned or reminded the RTbut had been out of contact etc . In other words a collector more than keen to loan the films just the logistics or being in contact etc etc (hopefully) There may be some more location film back and/or scanned in HD since Richard Molesworth's book Wiped! which is a thorough and concisely awesome publication btw
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 15, 2023 23:04:22 GMT
You want to see this topic behind its own doors? Not that I blame you... but a serious reply is not totally out of the question. Come on your not going to get roundel the topic that easily! I just wanted to know the story of what happened or any extra or side info or insiders info. I have read online that the set was "accidentally destroyed". I think I may have read in DWM or somewhere that a decision was made to get rid of the set. Just seem remiss that JNT didn't even think to offer that original doors wall or the other flats (flat panel walls with roundels) to a group or an exhibition or something like that . Maybe Matt Irvine would know more. For Panopticon they made a replica so.... How was the replica made and was this made to exact specifications. As far as I understand the original wall with the doors including the doors themselves was metal and built very sturdily which is why it was used for over 25years . They do indeed appear in almost every single missing and existing episode and also in telesnaps and photographs. I think the original TARDIS set doors roundels wall was only video taped by the television cameras for the entire 25+years apart from in Tomb of the Cybermen where director Morris Barry wanted to film the TARDIS interior on 16mm film (I am guessing at Ealing) The set looked good on film. Tho I cant recall if the doors were in shot there
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 15, 2023 22:49:20 GMT
Hi apologies in advance if some people feel this is too off topic and also regards if this has already been discussed.
I was just wondering what original 16mm or 35mm location film exists at the BBC archives. I know that some was only scanned in SD and is now in collectors hands some of whom has been contacted and some out of contact
I am just wondering what is known to exist and what has been scanned in HD and what is yet to be scanned in high definition
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 10, 2023 17:32:46 GMT
I do believe that they probably were destroyed maybe even skipped it's just so strange that JNT didn't try and save them unless it was by accident or something???
I just wondered if there was slightly more backstory to this or if someone like Matt Irvine would know.
Someone online mentioned how JNT gave them the old hat stand from the TARDIS. I guess not many people would have storage facility.
Would be ironic to find the TARDIS doors huge wall in a junkyard.
They made the replica for Panopticon because the original was gone.
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 10, 2023 14:43:31 GMT
I just wondered if there was any further information about this out there
I know a replica of the doors and wall was made for panopticon 93
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 10, 2023 14:41:56 GMT
What does this have to do with missing episodes? Hmmmm everything... Starting with that the metal doors and roundeled flat wall in question appears in almost or all every single missing episode that features the interior of the TARDIS Seriously tho if they were made of metal then surely they would not have been skipped but gone thru a scrap metal merchant and maybe they would have recognised them and saved them.obviously a long shot but you'd need to find the name of the scrap merchant and if they are alive or relatives and speak to them. There is a similar thing with the missing episodes I vaguely recall regards to the disposal of reels in the 70s . I do not know if this was a rumour but I think it involved the source of Evil of the Daleks episode 2 and an episode of The Faceless Ones being bought at a car boot sale and how these came to be there
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Post by Ace St.John on Feb 10, 2023 14:32:37 GMT
What's the rumour then? Missing film cans in the roundels? That sounds a bit... unhinged? The rumour is that they have been retrieved yet the missing episode reels have melted into the roundels. Next question is whether they should destroy the roundels to cut out the melted film's for x-ray scanning
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