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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2014 9:31:27 GMT
I think that the priority - if it isn't already happening - is to get these back to the UK so that they can be checked for things like censor cuts.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 17, 2014 9:38:34 GMT
I think that the priority - if it isn't already happening - is to get these back to the UK so that they can be checked for things like censor cuts. Thing is they probably already know where and the why.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2014 9:46:42 GMT
I think that the priority - if it isn't already happening - is to get these back to the UK so that they can be checked for things like censor cuts. Thing is they probably already know where and the why. I don't think you just stick a 40+ year old film on a projector unless you're certain it's in pretty good condition. From what I've read of EotW/WoF they needed TLC from Paul before they could be transferred.
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Post by johnforbes on Jan 17, 2014 9:49:02 GMT
I think that the priority - if it isn't already happening - is to get these back to the UK so that they can be checked for things like censor cuts. Thing is they probably already know where and the why. A bigger thing, is that this guy, who is not even a Doctor Who fan, has at least 10 16mm episodes in his possession, one of which, was classed as officially missing until a few months ago. This makes you wonder just how many episodes from the original source of these prints (Gib or Aus) are in the hands of collectors who ARE fans of the show, if a non fan can have 10 of them.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2014 9:51:41 GMT
Did they all come from the same source ? In, iirc, the 80s dupes of some episodes held by the BBC were made illicitly. Depending upon what was copied and how many copies were made.....
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 17, 2014 9:54:11 GMT
Anything is on the table now folks. This just goes to show you that. I have a feeling we will get more news from this area soon
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Post by johnforbes on Jan 17, 2014 9:59:03 GMT
Did they all come from the same source ? In, iirc, the 80s dupes of some episodes held by the BBC were made illicitly. Depending upon what was copied and how many copies were made..... If one guy has 10 16mm Doctor Who's in his possession and he isn't even a fan of the show, it is likely he acquired them from the same stock and at the same time. Besides, EOTW 6 was found only recently, and in all likelihood therefore hasn't been duped and shipped over to Taiwan for crazy conpiracy theories to abound. Based on the knowledge available, they are almost certainly ABC Aussie dupes or Gibraltese originals, and my money would be on the latter.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 17, 2014 10:00:41 GMT
Did they all come from the same source ? In, iirc, the 80s dupes of some episodes held by the BBC were made illicitly. Depending upon what was copied and how many copies were made..... If one guy has 10 16mm Doctor Who's in his possession and he isn't even a fan of the show, it is likely he acquired them from the same stock and at the same time. Besides, EOTW 6 was found only recently, and in all likelihood therefore hasn't been duped and shipped over to Taiwan for crazy conpiracy theories to abound. Based on the knowledge available, they are almost certainly ABC Aussie dupes or Gibraltese originals, and my money would be on the latter. Would seem logical. Its really fascinating how this is working out.
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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2014 10:08:27 GMT
Did they all come from the same source ? In, iirc, the 80s dupes of some episodes held by the BBC were made illicitly. Depending upon what was copied and how many copies were made..... If one guy has 10 16mm Doctor Who's in his possession and he isn't even a fan of the show, it is likely he acquired them from the same stock and at the same time. Besides, EOTW 6 was found only recently, and in all likelihood therefore hasn't been duped and shipped over to Taiwan for crazy conpiracy theories to abound. Based on the knowledge available, they are almost certainly ABC Aussie dupes or Gibraltese originals, and my money would be on the latter. I'm slightly dubious about Gibraltar as the UK, sensibly, stayed out of Vietnam which makes a military connection difficult. Censor cuts could help rule in, or out, an Australian origin. If there was internal bicycling of Australian made dupes these would have been made after censor cuts. The only problem would be if none of the episodes were subject to Australian censor cuts....
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 17, 2014 10:16:47 GMT
If one guy has 10 16mm Doctor Who's in his possession and he isn't even a fan of the show, it is likely he acquired them from the same stock and at the same time. Besides, EOTW 6 was found only recently, and in all likelihood therefore hasn't been duped and shipped over to Taiwan for crazy conpiracy theories to abound. Based on the knowledge available, they are almost certainly ABC Aussie dupes or Gibraltese originals, and my money would be on the latter. I'm slightly dubious about Gibraltar as the UK, sensibly, stayed out of Vietnam which makes a military connection difficult. Censor cuts could help rule in, or out, an Australian origin. If there was internal bicycling of Australian made dupes these would have been made after censor cuts. The only problem would be if none of the episodes were subject to Australian censor cuts.... Unless we helped in a non military way !
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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2014 10:19:50 GMT
Thing is they probably already know where and the why. A bigger thing, is that this guy, who is not even a Doctor Who fan, has at least 10 16mm episodes in his possession, one of which, was classed as officially missing until a few months ago. This makes you wonder just how many episodes from the original source of these prints (Gib or Aus) are in the hands of collectors who ARE fans of the show, if a non fan can have 10 of them. Unless you go right back to very early days with things like IotD 1 I don't think that a single episode has been recovered from a collector who's a fan. I'm not sure how many different sources of orphan episode recoveries there have been but it's not tiny. Think of the various odd episodes, such as one of the Romans, in addition to things like Airlock/UM2 that have turned up - but none from fans. If there are fans who are 16mm collectors with missing episodes you've then got to believe that every one is a selfish hoarder.
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Post by Neil Lambess on Jan 17, 2014 10:21:31 GMT
Do we know if Gibraltar screened Ambassadors of death in colour? (as the Taiwan finds are B&w ) and on 16mm not tape....? Vietnam may not feature into the possibilities at all , they were found in Taiwan and theres a lot of ways they could have ended up in the American Armed forces during or after the era of the Vietnam war.... although not involved in Vietnam Britain had bases in nearby areas....( RAF Tengah in Singapore ) for example and the Royal Navy had onboard TV (and apparently showed some BBC stuff according to ex RN sailors ive met over the years....) so they were conducting exercises with both the NZ and Australian forces during the conflict.... interestingly although Britain kept out of the Vietnam war "officially" there were Vietnam medals given to British special forces (SAS) personel who served in Vietnam britains-smallwars.com/Vietnam/SP.htm (........NOT that the founder of the SAS had any access to BBC product of course.... ....) fun to speculate on all the possibillities untill we can get some hopefully definate info on the source of the prints Fingers crossed !
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Post by John Wall on Jan 17, 2014 10:21:36 GMT
I'm slightly dubious about Gibraltar as the UK, sensibly, stayed out of Vietnam which makes a military connection difficult. Censor cuts could help rule in, or out, an Australian origin. If there was internal bicycling of Australian made dupes these would have been made after censor cuts. The only problem would be if none of the episodes were subject to Australian censor cuts.... Unless we helped in a non military way ! I'm uncertain how b&w Dr Who could help the US in Vietnam.... Although Victoria and Zoe would help my morale
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Post by Neil Lambess on Jan 17, 2014 10:24:34 GMT
A bigger thing, is that this guy, who is not even a Doctor Who fan, has at least 10 16mm episodes in his possession, one of which, was classed as officially missing until a few months ago. This makes you wonder just how many episodes from the original source of these prints (Gib or Aus) are in the hands of collectors who ARE fans of the show, if a non fan can have 10 of them. Unless you go right back to very early days with things like IotD 1 I don't think that a single episode has been recovered from a collector who's a fan. I'm not sure how many different sources of orphan episode recoveries there have been but it's not tiny. Think of the various odd episodes, such as one of the Romans, in addition to things like Airlock/UM2 that have turned up - but none from fans. If there are fans who are 16mm collectors with missing episodes you've then got to believe that that every one is a selfish hoarder. both the guy in Taiwan and Bruce Grenville (the Lion ) were/are Fans , but niether seemed to know stuff was lost
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Post by Neil Lambess on Jan 17, 2014 10:33:39 GMT
just to clarify Keith the owner of that Taiwan prints has posted on Ians Levines Facebook "I was a DR Who fan when I watched Tom Baker & Peter Davidson. When Colin Baker took over I lost interest. It was not until Sylvester McCoy took over the roll that I started watching again."
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