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Post by Marty Schultz on Feb 6, 2014 13:40:43 GMT
So Feast of Tawain? Sounds delicous.
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Post by Marty Schultz on Feb 6, 2014 13:46:35 GMT
It would be kinda funny if there was more than one actual set... imagine if another enemy 6 turned up with the same leader...
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 6, 2014 19:03:21 GMT
Could any of the servicemen and women of taken any back to the states ?
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 7, 2014 0:25:21 GMT
Well all we would need to do is simply walk into a TV studio unnanounced and then find the Film Stoarge UNIT, search threw it and find the film prints and get out the door all unnoticed.
Oh and if your caught by some one who cares then you are up on charges ranging from "stealing goernment property" to "unlawful entry". . .
So no the average serviceman would not have just walked in and taken film prints. . . .
Now could a station employee taken them ? that is different possibility. I doubt he would be able to jam it in his sea bag as that is where his uniforms would go. But if he lived off base and had housing it is possible that it could have been shipped out iwth house hold goods, assuming of course that militay customs (who show up for your pack out) does not question you about it.
I only say the bit as when I packed out of my apartment in Olongapo City, Philippies in May 1990, I packed up my collection of video tapes and naturaly we had a power outage at the time the pack out was going on and the customs inspector asked me if I was "shipping any porn back to the USA".
So films and vido tapes wre noticed. Fortuantly I had my tapes labled and they wre clearned for pack out. Had the electricity not been out in Olongapo City they would have checked them randomly to see if they had any localy produced porn
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Post by Neil Lambess on Feb 7, 2014 2:42:42 GMT
Just to clarify for every ones information the Air Force Ran the actual broadcasts of AFRTS up until the mid 1970's so technically the stations were air force stations even though personal from the US Army, Navy Air Force and Marines were also assigned to those same stations. . . I think they were sent to Chinese Taipei from South Vietnam to be routed threw Taiwan to the next broadcaster in the AFRTS Chain where ever that maybe. Still doesn't explain why none of the episodes were ever listed though. The 2 Cushing movies weren't widely well recieved. The original series may have been even less well received on its first showing at a base (if indeed it was ever shown at a base at all). It may be, that after receiving them, AFRTS decided to not bother showing them. So ....... when the Nam bases emptied, (Nam being the prints' first destination, the prints there were just sent on elsewhere to another base, or, simply left behind where they were. The more I think about, and read about it, I just don't think these things were ever "broadcast". it is theoreticly possible they were shown as part of a complation show..... (Red Dwarf got its first nz screenings cut up intermittedly as part of a late night variety show on Friday nights in NZ , cant recall if the first series that was screened this way got a tv listing tho...but i seem to recall a picture from the show in one of our tv guides.....(Jon ?....youre needed ! ) perhaps there was a childrens hour? /sunday horrors type omnibus show that it screened as part of in Taiwan? as an aside the CGI animated version of Captain Scarlet was shown in a similar fashion when it first screened in the UK , did the TV listings mag label it as part of the kiddies show it was shown in ?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 7, 2014 4:17:59 GMT
it is theoreticly possible they were shown as part of a complation show..... (Red Dwarf got its first nz screenings cut up intermittedly as part of a late night variety show on Friday nights in NZ , cant recall if the first series that was screened this way got a tv listing tho...but i seem to recall a picture from the show in one of our tv guides.....( Jon ?....youre needed ! ) perhaps there was a childrens hour? /sunday horrors type omnibus show that it screened as part of in Taiwan? You rang, m'lud?! Ah yes "Friday Night" with Nick Tansley. They played Buster Crabbe "Flash Gordon" serials, Red Dwarf series 1 and "Jane", with Glynis Barber,all cut up into 10 minute blocks, scattered throughout the programme. Some of the AFRTS listings have generic blocks of "Cartoons" but I suspect those would be reserved for Hanna Barbera fare, like Scooby Phooey and Hong Kong Doo!
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Post by Robert Lia on Feb 7, 2014 4:21:54 GMT
Yes there were several shows as well of Saturday Morning Cartoon and live action shows on ABC, CBS and NBC that had cartoons as segment's of the show. Kroft Super show and Uncle Crock's Block on ABC were two that had other shows carved up and broadcast under the umbrella title in the 1970's
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 7, 2014 9:07:03 GMT
All the episodes have a lead in attached confirming they were from AFN and the film cans confirm this (the original BBC cans have long since gone alongside all labeling confirming what episodes they were, that's why the collector wasn't able to identify them immediately). The more I think about, and read about it, I just don't think these things were ever "broadcast". Could at least some of these have been sent out as audition prints? And are there dates on the cans or leaders to indicate whether they were struck by the BBC or received by AFN at about the same time or not? I wonder whether the older stuff could have been sent out first and AFN replied with something like "we're not sure about this old stuff, got anything newer?" so the Pertwee episodes followed, and eventually AFN decided to pass. It could explain the odd spread of stories represented.
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 7, 2014 9:40:05 GMT
I've just deleted a whole load of rubbish. So please read this bit:
What's important here is the content of people's messages, not the spelling, grammar or anything else. I'm sure we all try to make our posts as near to perfect as possible, so if you see any typos, misplaced apostrophes, grammatical booboos or anything else that doesn't dramatically alter the actual meaning of what is being said, JUST LIVE WITH IT.
Obviously the above doesn't include the use of Comic Sans, which is a crime against the internet and will be punished with immediate deletion.
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Post by John Green on Feb 7, 2014 10:01:26 GMT
I've just deleted a whole load of rubbish. So please read this bit: What's important here is the content of people's messages, not the spelling, grammar or anything else. I'm sure we all try to make our posts as near to perfect as possible, so if you see any typos, misplaced apostrophes, grammatical booboos or anything else that doesn't dramatically alter the actual meaning of what is being said, JUST LIVE WITH IT. Obviously the above doesn't include the use of Comic Sans, which is a crime against the internet and will be punished with immediate deletion. "Apostrophe's",surely? And isn't the plural 'apostrapha'? You're quite right,of course.The standard of grammar etc. is pretty high here anyway. I had to look up 'Comic sans'...
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Post by shellyharman67 on Feb 7, 2014 10:05:02 GMT
I've just deleted a whole load of rubbish. So please read this bit: What's important here is the content of people's messages, not the spelling, grammar or anything else. I'm sure we all try to make our posts as near to perfect as possible, so if you see any typos, misplaced apostrophes, grammatical booboos or anything else that doesn't dramatically alter the actual meaning of what is being said, JUST LIVE WITH IT. Obviously the above doesn't include the use of Comic Sans, which is a crime against the internet and will be punished with immediate deletion. "Apostrophe's",surely? And isn't the plural 'apostrapha'? You're quite right,of course.The standard of grammar etc. is pretty high here anyway. I had to look up 'Comic sans'... Thanks Rob !
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Post by Rob Moss on Feb 7, 2014 10:26:17 GMT
I had to look up 'Comic sans'... Lucky bugger.
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Post by scotttelfer on Feb 7, 2014 10:38:12 GMT
And are there dates on the cans or leaders to indicate whether they were struck by the BBC or received by AFN at about the same time or not? I wonder whether the older stuff could have been sent out first and AFN replied with something like "we're not sure about this old stuff, got anything newer?" so the Pertwee episodes followed, and eventually AFN decided to pass. It could explain the odd spread of stories represented. Nobody really knows, from what little information has been obtained these were brand new prints struck by the BBC that have no relation to the Autralian or Gibrlatarian prints. The film cans were seemingly removed and replaced with AFN cans which contained barely any information on them (possibly saying it was Doctor Who, but definitely not which episodes they were). Without sales information we are really in the dark, although there is some (admittedly rather weak) evidence to suggest there were further sales we weren't aware of (notably one suggesting Mission to the Unknown had its clearance fees paid at some point before late 1974) but whether these are the sales is a bit of a mystery. It seems fairly standard practice to send out the first three or five stories when trying to sell the show abroad, which could explain why The Keys of Marinus was in there. If they wanted more recent episodes given the selection we have at hand I would personally suspect they started with Series 5 and then worked forwards from there rather than going for Pertwee (given that they are all in black and white it wouldn't have been as much of a jumping on point as it was for mainstream US sales around the same time).
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Post by Matthew Kurth on Feb 7, 2014 10:46:13 GMT
I would personally suspect they started with Series 5 and then worked forwards from there rather than going for Pertwee (given that they are all in black and white it wouldn't have been as much of a jumping on point as it was for mainstream US sales around the same time). Even taking into account that the Pertwee episodes were B&W, in my opinion Season 7 is much more adult in tone than what generally came before which might make a difference depending on what AFN was looking for at the time.
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Post by scotttelfer on Feb 7, 2014 10:51:06 GMT
I would personally suspect they started with Series 5 and then worked forwards from there rather than going for Pertwee (given that they are all in black and white it wouldn't have been as much of a jumping on point as it was for mainstream US sales around the same time). Even taking into account that the Pertwee episodes were B&W, in my opinion Season 7 is much more adult in tone than what generally came before which might make a difference depending on what AFN was looking for at the time. Sadly, until more episodes (or some paperwork) turns up, we'll be stuck with just speculation. However, there is clearly a focus on that period in the show's history so it wouldn't surprise me if they focused there, but also purchased a few from elsewhere.
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