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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 6, 2014 12:24:18 GMT
Will have a looksie
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 6, 2014 12:32:47 GMT
WOWZER Justin ! I want it in colour even more now
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Post by Richard Marple on Jan 6, 2014 13:31:35 GMT
I guess there will always be the prudes who wont like it ! But i think the short bits done thus far are great I suppose many were put off by the colourisations of the 80's and 90's (mostly done by the Turner Entertainment network) Colourising to produce true lifelike colour grading so that each part of an image doesn't look 'flat' takes a great deal more time - to complete an entire Who story properly would take years...but I'd love to see it. Poor Babelcolour took 18 months of his life out to create the colour for episode one of Mind Of Evil and that was with the assistance of a chap generating the majority of the frames using a technology to extrapolate intermediate image info...I do miss his colourising work but I can understand how burnt out he must have become. I'm glad there are people like Richard 'farfromallover' Tipple and Pelham Court keeping the flame alive though I've heard that Orson Welles kicked up a fuss when someone suggested Citizen Kane should be colourised. There was one with Frank Sinatra which was badly dones, as he was Old Brown Eyes in it!
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Post by Justin Watson on Jan 6, 2014 14:14:42 GMT
I suppose many were put off by the colourisations of the 80's and 90's (mostly done by the Turner Entertainment network) Colourising to produce true lifelike colour grading so that each part of an image doesn't look 'flat' takes a great deal more time - to complete an entire Who story properly would take years...but I'd love to see it. Poor Babelcolour took 18 months of his life out to create the colour for episode one of Mind Of Evil and that was with the assistance of a chap generating the majority of the frames using a technology to extrapolate intermediate image info...I do miss his colourising work but I can understand how burnt out he must have become. I'm glad there are people like Richard 'farfromallover' Tipple and Pelham Court keeping the flame alive though I've heard that Orson Welles kicked up a fuss when someone suggested Citizen Kane should be colourised. There was one with Frank Sinatra which was badly dones, as he was Old Brown Eyes in it! Yep - John Houston's daughter even sued to prevent transmission of one of his films (and she won!)
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Post by Justin Watson on Jan 6, 2014 14:16:31 GMT
WOWZER Justin ! I want it in colour even more now Indeed - lots of golden nuggets in there - I try to add vids to that play-list every time one pops up.
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Post by pelham cort on Jan 6, 2014 14:17:13 GMT
I suppose many were put off by the colourisations of the 80's and 90's (mostly done by the Turner Entertainment network) Colourising to produce true lifelike colour grading so that each part of an image doesn't look 'flat' takes a great deal more time - to complete an entire Who story properly would take years...but I'd love to see it. Poor Babelcolour took 18 months of his life out to create the colour for episode one of Mind Of Evil and that was with the assistance of a chap generating the majority of the frames using a technology to extrapolate intermediate image info...I do miss his colourising work but I can understand how burnt out he must have become. I'm glad there are people like Richard 'farfromallover' Tipple and Pelham Court keeping the flame alive though I've heard that Orson Welles kicked up a fuss when someone suggested Citizen Kane should be colourised. There was one with Frank Sinatra which was badly dones, as he was Old Brown Eyes in it! yes.that was "suddenly' but legend films recolourised "suddenly' and put his old blue eyes in. there's a DVD of it with both colour and B/W versions out now in the US.
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Post by pelham cort on Jan 6, 2014 14:26:37 GMT
I've heard that Orson Welles kicked up a fuss when someone suggested Citizen Kane should be colourised. There was one with Frank Sinatra which was badly dones, as he was Old Brown Eyes in it! Yep - John Houston's daughter even sued to prevent transmission of one of his films (and she won!) and i recall George Lucas(yes,the man who messed up star wars!)went against the colourisation saying that old comedies like the three stooges would lose their charm but for me,looking at the three stooges in colour makes get the giggles. also Frank Capra at first was interested in colourisation and wanted to be the colour designer on its a wonderful life as said here: "Director Capra met with Wilson Markle about having Colorization, Inc., colorize It's a Wonderful Life based on an enthusiastic response to the colorization of Topper from actor Cary Grant.The company's art director Brian Holmes prepared 10 minutes of colorized footage from It's a Wonderful Life for Capra to view, which resulted in Capra signing a contract with Colorization, Inc., and his "enthusiastic agree[ment] to pay half the $260,000 cost of colorizing the movie and to share any profits" and giving "preliminary approval to making similar color versions of two of his other black-and-white films, Meet John Doe (1941) and Lady for a Day (1933)". However, the film was believed to be in the public domain at the time, and as a result Markle and Holmes responded by returning Capra's initial investment, eliminating his financial participation, and refusing outright to allow the director to exercise artistic control over the colorization of his films, leading Capra to join in the campaign against the process.'
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Post by Paul G on Jan 6, 2014 14:26:38 GMT
I guess there will always be the prudes who wont like it ! But i think the short bits done thus far are great I'm one of the 'prudes' that doesn't like colourisation of b&w material (though why it's prudish not to like colourisation of 60s 'Who' I'm not sure - are you sure it's colourised 'Who' you're watching??!!). The work on Mind of Evil episode 1 is stunning, but (as per Justin's post) the episode was originally made in colour and frequent colour source frames were available. Whilst I've no problem with people attempting colourisation (and there's some excellent work being done), I wouldn't want to see it on the DVDs primarily because it's taking up valuable disc space. I'd rather the b&w source material be given a higher bit-rate.
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Post by Justin Watson on Jan 6, 2014 14:38:26 GMT
I guess there will always be the prudes who wont like it ! But i think the short bits done thus far are great I'm one of the 'prudes' that doesn't like colourisation of b&w material (though why it's prudish not to like colourisation of 60s 'Who' I'm not sure - are you sure it's colourised 'Who' you're watching??!!). The work on Mind of Evil episode 1 is stunning, but (as per Justin's post) the episode was originally made in colour and frequent colour source frames were available. Whilst I've no problem with people attempting colourisation (and there's some excellent work being done), I wouldn't want to see it on the DVDs primarily because it's taking up valuable disc space. I'd rather the b&w source material be given a higher bit-rate. That's a very valid viewpoint. I suppose now that the range is nearly complete though it wouldn't do any harm to introduce colour editions...after all we already have the b&w ones and the only way to improve most of those would be more space than a DVD allows (on-line perhaps) for zero compression.
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Post by Paul G on Jan 6, 2014 15:13:16 GMT
I'm one of the 'prudes' that doesn't like colourisation of b&w material (though why it's prudish not to like colourisation of 60s 'Who' I'm not sure - are you sure it's colourised 'Who' you're watching??!!). The work on Mind of Evil episode 1 is stunning, but (as per Justin's post) the episode was originally made in colour and frequent colour source frames were available. Whilst I've no problem with people attempting colourisation (and there's some excellent work being done), I wouldn't want to see it on the DVDs primarily because it's taking up valuable disc space. I'd rather the b&w source material be given a higher bit-rate. That's a very valid viewpoint. I suppose now that the range is nearly complete though it wouldn't do any harm to introduce colour editions...after all we already have the b&w ones and the only way to improve most of those would be more space than a DVD allows (on-line perhaps) for zero compression. True. I'm sure some of the older B&W releases would benefit from a new transfer and cleanup even for DVD release, but I'd be intrigued to see some of the better quality b&w material performs compression-free on blu ray.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 6, 2014 15:24:33 GMT
Each to their own
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 7, 2014 12:09:05 GMT
Richard, cant wait Poor Babelcolour took 18 months of his life out to create the colour for episode one of Mind Of Evil and that was with the assistance of a chap generating the majority of the frames using a technology to extrapolate intermediate image info...I do miss his colourising work but I can understand how burnt out he must have become. I'm glad there are people like Richard 'farfromallover' Tipple and Pelham Court keeping the flame alive though some good news:Richard Tipple is colourising an entire 60's doctor who episode.i'm not sure which one but it has daleks in it. Glad someone is doing it You've won me over if both versions were presented side by side and original material, set shots in colour, etc, where it exists, was used to make decisions on the colours used. good luck Richard, looking forward to any updates coop [/quote] Thanks for all the support and encouragement everyone. I've been making steady progress, and hope to share an update soon. I'd estimate I'm about two weeks away from having the first scene down, that's roughly two minutes of 25, done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2014 12:43:58 GMT
Richard, cant wait Thanks for all the support and encouragement everyone. I've been making steady progress, and hope to share an update soon. I'd estimate I'm about two weeks away from having the first scene down, that's roughly two minutes of 25, done.[/quote] It would be great to see your work. Yet somehow I am a bit worried about the Youtube copyright shambles that would prevent us from seeing it if you uploaded an entire colourised episode. I really look foward to seeing your hard work.
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Post by Lionel (Coop) Cooper on Jan 7, 2014 13:29:55 GMT
a similar site to youtube is www.dailymotion.com/stuff does not seem to get "deleted" from there so quickly WARNING - sometimes my avast antivirus says there is a virus at dailymotion, there are some pop up ads sometimes so just a warning, it maybe a false report as the main page of the missing episode site comes up as virus detected with my avast ! coop
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Post by Paul G on Jan 7, 2014 15:57:11 GMT
Each to their own Absolutely! Without wishing to amble too far off-topic, I prefer to watch programmes as they were originally produced. So for 60s Who material I prefer to watch it in monochrome, with aspect ratio set to 4:3 and any motion 'enhancement' on my TV permanently disabled. I think Vidfire's great and brings the 60s shows to life when compared to film versions, though I understand why some prefer the film look. I also understand why some people feel the same about colourising monochrome as I do about Vidfiring, but it's just not for me. Maybe if I saw some SD-resolution monochrome video colourised so successfully that I didn't know it'd been colourised I might change my mind!! I still don't get the 'prude' bit though!
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