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Post by John Green on Dec 20, 2013 0:05:50 GMT
This is bizarre. Sent to the armed forces in the 1960s? The first known sale for some of these stories wasn't until 1971! To quote myself from a few days ago: More finds=more information=more questions. Or something like that. They'll have to build an extension at 'Wiped' House...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 0:12:44 GMT
Even if it is existing episodes that have been found, it's nice to know that they are still out there. After the last two stories were returned, I started thinking that it would be years before another episode would be found. Hopefully the Space Pirates is staring us right in the face.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Dec 20, 2013 0:39:49 GMT
I hope, I hope! After (supposedly) a dead end in Zambia, here's another avenue we didn't expect. Amazing!
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Post by Simon Bannister on Dec 20, 2013 1:00:29 GMT
I went to Taiwan earier this year, lovely place. I'm hoping to go back there early next year so I could ask around and see what turns up ;-)
I also currently live in South Korea and I've often wondered if prints or copies have ended up here without anyone realising.
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Post by Gids Llewellyn on Dec 20, 2013 1:02:30 GMT
I'll be in Hong Kong in February... any particular locations need rummaging through?
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 20, 2013 1:06:41 GMT
it makes you wonder what is sitting in the empty long forgotten shelf's on US bases in Japan, Korea, Okinawa , and Guam that are still operational to this day. One thing about the military is we never throw anything away because as soon as we throw it away some one comes looking for it as its on some sort inventory list.
And of course there is the AFRTS Broadcast Center in Los Angeles that used to be a Hugh film and tape storage of all the programing that AFRTS purchased for the troops. . . .
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Post by charles drummel on Dec 20, 2013 2:04:02 GMT
Recent tweets by the other person involved in the find make it sound like their contact in Taiwan picked them up from an archive years ago. So it's probably not a matter of them sitting on an archive shelf anymore.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 20, 2013 2:12:11 GMT
Depends on the base. On ana active military base it would be much harder to walk in and walk out with a film print. You would need to have acessses to the storage facility. The radio staion in Tiawan is a former AFRTS station that was turned over in an operational status when the U.S. Military left the island
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 20, 2013 3:03:40 GMT
Recent tweets by the other person involved in the find make it sound like their contact in Taiwan picked them up from an archive years ago. So it's probably not a matter of them sitting on an archive shelf anymore. The individual Charles Drummel is talking about is the man who gave Ian Levine the lead. His twitter page is here: twitter.com/AndyLehrerSome of the tweets he made (reformatted by me) ***~~~*** Andy Lehrer @andylehrer @ ianlevine Thanks for following through on the lead I gave u. Your persistance has opened a new avenue in the search for missing DW eps since we now know some Troughton eps were sent to Taiwan (after NZ)? There may be more waiting to be found somewhere on Taiwan. @ mdonaghue75 @ ianlevine yes until now no one's ever looked in Taiwan. Ian easily could have dismissed the tip as a hoax but he took a chance @ mdonaghue75 @ ianlevine AFRTS Taiwan disbanded in 1979. Our friend in Taiwan found a cache of material from their archive a few years ago so it's possible there's more to be found either material our friend doesn't realize he has or elsewhere in Taiwan. @ mdonaghue75 @ ianlevine It's also possible most of their material ended up in the dumpster in 1979 but the fact that a lot of their material was found and purchased by our friend more than 20 years later suggests more could be out there waiting @ mdonaghue75 @ ianlevine Another question is if AFN Taiwan aired DW episodes that no one knows they aired are there any other AFN stations that did. Were any episodes sent to AFN Taiwan from New Zealand (presumably) cycled on to other AFN stations? ***~~~*** Interesting information, save for the New Zealand bit. There are no recorded sales of the Sixth season to New Zealand, so any prints supplied to AFRTS would've come from another source. I'm making the easy assumption that AFRTS did not purchase the films, but had them donated by the source country. My internal radar is slowly turning to Singapore as the culprit. Australia sent Seeds of Death back to the BBC, and Hong Kong sent their copy to Singapore. The only other source country possible would be Gibraltar. Could it be possible that Singapore's prints were donated to AFRTS?
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Post by Robbie Moubert on Dec 20, 2013 3:06:56 GMT
it makes you wonder what is sitting in the empty long forgotten shelf's on US bases. . . . I doubt there's anything to be found on empty shelves......
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Post by George D on Dec 20, 2013 3:26:11 GMT
I'm Wondering if the guy actually had 8 but had second thoughts about 3 of them.
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Post by mattplace on Dec 20, 2013 3:31:50 GMT
Two (well, three) questions: 1. I'm surprised that no one's ever come forward with "My brother/uncle/father/etc. was in the armed forces and clearly remembers seeing Dr. Who at the base." 2. What are the odds of finding FIVE episodes that are ALL repeats? Which leads into ... 3. OK. I'm just asking because I'm just asking. Do we know that Ian Levine turned over all the episodes he found? Specifically, when ANY episode is found, what paper trail exists to show that episodes haven't disappeared into someone's safe deposit box? Point 3 . This man has done more for Doctor Who, not Just missing Episodes, than many. It is completely unfair for you to post something like that, even labelling is as a question as you did. Post inflammatory statements like that if you have HARD evidence to back it up, not rumours and lies dating back decades. I have never met Ian Levine, probably never will, but like the accusations of PM holding back episodes , these people are being unfairly painted in a poor light, with little or no evidence to back it up... and this is why baseless rumours grow and eventually become "fact" in the eyes of some.. The Internet is a wonderful thing, but people really should think before they press enter
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 20, 2013 4:00:13 GMT
I would not believe for a second that any AFRTS station would broadcast material that they did not have the legal rights to. So if they were shown on AFRTS in any country they were purchased and properly scheduled. So it just shows that some one sold the episodes to the United States?, would the BBC sell direct to AFRTS or did TIE do it. We know that in the United States in 1972 TIme Life films was offering color Jon Pertwee serials but they were a brand new contract set up by the BBC back then.
Those same Jon Pertwee storys also aired in color on Guam and in the Philippines.
Could it havebeen BBC Enterprises making a late sale of some soon to be expining shows as by then sales had dried up to tradional countrys. besides a sale to the USA caused a full payment of fees to the writers and actors involved so it would be quite a money maker for the BBC to make them available to the US military to screen at there military outposts around the world including some places that had already aired Dr. Who (Australia, New Zealand, Thailand). Its a mystery that needs to be investigaged.
Unfortuantly most people cant wanlk onto a overseas US Military base and find out where the old films were stored are you would need accesses to the base. As the US military is a government agency it would have to be the BBC reaching out to make any kind of serious progress searching threw over seas bases.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Dec 20, 2013 4:09:50 GMT
Regarding the "From Australia via Vietnam" theory for these episodes, Australian troops withdrew from Vietnam in 1972.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 20, 2013 4:17:20 GMT
Regarding the "From Australia via Vietnam" theory for these episodes, Australian troops withdrew from Vietnam in 1972. Not to mention Australia sent the episodes to the BBC in 1975.
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