Simon Collis
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Post by Simon Collis on Dec 19, 2013 22:33:56 GMT
Well there was practically no British involvement in the Vietnam war - would the ship out of the episodes have been for US troops? Sorry, not trying to be sarcastic here, I'm just a bit confused* That said, BFBS stations abroad would be interesting - there were regular troops stationed at Hong Kong, Cyprus, West Germany, and ( according to Wikipedia) BFBS television started in West Germany in 1975 (the actual BFBS history page has disappeared but you can find it through the Wayback machine). The question of whether other allies' armed forces got prints of Who shipped to them is another question... * this is not an unusual state of affairs if you regularly follow my posts on this board...Someone posted earlier that the link could be via Australia. Australian troops served in Vietnam. Doh! Of course!
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Post by adamjordan on Dec 19, 2013 22:40:00 GMT
I would also suggest Australia. Anyway - well done Ian. Great work and thanks. More pieces of the puzzle. More pieces of a puzzle that just got a lot bigger! Did anyone see the 'Silent War' series on BBC2 recently. It showed the submariners enjoying film copies of Up Pompeii!
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Post by Marty Schultz on Dec 19, 2013 22:46:38 GMT
Indeed. Is there any indication of where the prints came from?Are these a 'new' unknown set or ticks on the check list of bicycle prints?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Dec 19, 2013 22:48:55 GMT
....Vietnam - radio station? - Does Robin Williams have them? LOL "Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Vietnam! Today while the dominating Viet Cong plant their red Communist seeds of death, let's screen some good old "Dr Who" for you while you're all busily playing at your war games, .."
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 19, 2013 22:50:45 GMT
Well there was the Naval Communications Station Harold E. Holt that was an AFRTS broadcast center in North West Cape Western Australia from 1968-93 that is still standing as of 2003
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Dec 19, 2013 22:51:26 GMT
....Vietnam - radio station? - Does Robin Williams have them? LOL "Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Vietnam! Today while the dominating Viet Cong plant their red Communist seeds of death, let's screen some good old "Dr Who" for you while you're all busily playing at your war games, .." Would the Americans even know what Doctor Who was?
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Post by Simon Jailler on Dec 19, 2013 22:54:41 GMT
This news has whetted my appetite for the Space Pirates. Ian certainly is not backward in coming forward with his finds.
More of the same please, anyone else with returned missing episodes, Christmas is nearly here.
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 19, 2013 22:58:06 GMT
"Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Vietnam! Today while the dominating Viet Cong plant their red Communist seeds of death, let's screen some good old "Dr Who" for you while you're all busily playing at your war games, .." Would the Americans even know what Doctor Who was? No we Americans had only had the Doctor Who movies shown on TV back them but in the late 1960's to early 1970's science fiction was very popular with Americas with shows like Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Lost in Space, Star Trek and Land of the Giants being shot on 35mm film Doctor Who being distributed on 16mm might have been an easier sell to AFRTS as 16mm film prints took up less space on the shelf.
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Post by RossL on Dec 19, 2013 22:59:39 GMT
What a FASCINATING new development!
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Post by Marty Schultz on Dec 19, 2013 23:02:12 GMT
....Vietnam - radio station? - Does Robin Williams have them? LOL "Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Vietnam! Today while the dominating Viet Cong plant their red Communist seeds of death, let's screen some good old "Dr Who" for you while you're all busily playing at your war games, .." Alternatively " Good morning comrades. This is Hanoi Hannah - join forces with your brothers in the North. Do not believe in the lies of your superiors - see the truth through the eyes of the Doctor as he fights against his capitalist overlords in their war games. Renounce your decadent heritage as he does and free yourselves from the tyranny of Washingtons lies!"
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 19, 2013 23:14:29 GMT
Its funny now that Vietman is not so budy budy with Red China they are negeociating a deal to give the US full acess to our fomrer base as Cam Ron Bay, in fact US Navy ships have been calling there a few times each year the past few years. . . .
And I dont thin any one will ever be free of Washington's lies
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Post by Alex Dering on Dec 19, 2013 23:26:21 GMT
Two (well, three) questions:
1. I'm surprised that no one's ever come forward with "My brother/uncle/father/etc. was in the armed forces and clearly remembers seeing Dr. Who at the base."
2. What are the odds of finding FIVE episodes that are ALL repeats? Which leads into ...
3. OK. I'm just asking because I'm just asking. Do we know that Ian Levine turned over all the episodes he found? Specifically, when ANY episode is found, what paper trail exists to show that episodes haven't disappeared into someone's safe deposit box?
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 19, 2013 23:39:07 GMT
I saw Doctor Who at the base in 1988. But it was not on the base channel but GMA 7 which is a Manila TV station. I came home from work and went to my apartment in Olongapo City which was just outside the U.S. Naval Station Subic Bay and Naval Air Station Cubi Point and turned on the TV at 445 PM and saw Tom Baker on the TV. And no I am not making this up as I had told Jon Preddle about this months ago and he is hunting for local Philippine TV listing to prove it. Now FEN - Philipiines did run 22 Tom Baker storys in 1986 thart were also cycled threw Japan , Germany and Korea but the airings ended before I reported for duty. But the point is if they were shown on AFRTS in Vietnam they were cycled threw the other AFRTS regions in the area as well (Philipines, Japan, Thailand,Taiwan, Guam, and no doubt New Zealand and Australia which had AFRTS stations back then. And as the US broadcasts were in NTSC they would not have conficted with screenings by the ABC and NZBC, Now the paper trail for where the sales of these storys were sent will need to be checked but I am sure the good people at Broadcast are on it as we speak
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Post by Gids Llewellyn on Dec 19, 2013 23:50:08 GMT
This is interesting, just as the B&W T/Rs of the Sea Devils were found "16mm copies of all six episodes of The Sea Devils were found on an air force base in the Ascension Islands." it looks like the military had T/Rs to watch. With only 7 of 44 episodes from season 6 missing, its a lot harder work than with season 4 & 5 to find the missing ones. Its great that another 5 have turned up. People said that it would be hard to find the Troughton episodes, compared to the Hartnells, but in the last two years, the missing count is 10 compared to 1. Well done Ian, hope this gives more leads to follow up. Most interesting. This rings a bell from just after I joined this forum a few years ago. I think there was a thread about showing TV programmes to a tiny audience without being broadcast on TV. I think we were discussing the likes of small colonies like the Falklands and British forces families overseas. I think it was one of those threads that just died a death because it wasn't thought to be a viable option. Now it's looking like it wasn't too far from the truth... just for a different nationality!
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Post by Robert Lia on Dec 20, 2013 0:00:21 GMT
AFRTS TV stations were set up in areas that had military members and family members, US base in Korea, Japan and the Philippines had familys, children and schools so they would have programming for kids as well. Tiawan had a large military community as well as many westerners living there to this day. Guam still has US Navy and Air Force instalations. Siagon had a large US set up as well as Da Nanag and Cam Ron Bay.
And as AFRTS stations existed back then in New Zealand and Australia there were tapes and film prints usied for NTSC broadcasts in those two countrys. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Guam all broadcast in the NTSC format, Austraila, New Zealand and Thailand use PAL. South Vietman would have used NTSC and North Vietman would have been using SECAM at the time
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