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Post by Simon Smith on Nov 8, 2013 6:41:19 GMT
It says that one of the episodes found was Daleks Master Plan 7. Unless that's simply a typo, then it's a load of bollocks.
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Nov 8, 2013 7:47:20 GMT
It says that one of the episodes found was Daleks Master Plan 7. Unless that's simply a typo, then it's a load of bollocks. According to Jon Preddle, in another thread, it is possible a 16mm telerecording was made during broadcast. Anyway, just read the rumour on DWA. doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/07/new-missing-episode-rumours-and-facts-for-november/Now pls excuse me for being thick, but can someone explain the "speculation" part re DWM and the telesnaps and the relavance to EOTD? I couldn't get the meaning (if there was a meaning there at all) As regards private collectors "cashing in". Now would realistically be the best time to do so. If they can offload their cop(y)(ies) cheaper and quicker than Mr Morris unloads his supposed hoard it makes more sense for "them" to get their orphans out first in case Mr Morris (supposedly) makes their "stuff" suddenly worth a lot less. At the very least, I'd expect announcements on WIS and TAS since it's documented that the TV station in Nigeria was sent those alongside WOF and EOTW. If one found WOF and EOTW there, one would quite reasonably expect to find the other 2 as well (since the TV station seemed to keep everything it was sent). IF stuff such as Massacre has been found, then surely this must have come from Sierra Leone, along with all the other now missing Hartnell's they seemed to have held (and iirc broadcast out of contract). However iirc there was information that the tv place was bombed and the stuff destroyed in 1999. However it wasn't made clear if it indeed was the old building with the archived stuff, or the new one. IF they have been found, it would clear that matter up. The ship: These alleged 8000 or w/e cans, they must have been brought back to the UK via ship. Surely there must be a record somewhere of just which ports this ship called at on its way to the UK. Extrapolation with the records of which country brought what would then help to either debunk or give more credibility to more episodes being found.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Nov 8, 2013 7:59:39 GMT
When do we throw in the towel? Will Doctor Who enthusiasts keep scouring the world for 16 episodes, some of which are orphans? I would love to see the complete series returned to the BBC's archive in my lifetime (and if the rumor about "The Feast of Steven" being found is true then anything is possible), but is there a point where we say enough is enough and be content with what we have? Is there a threshold where once we cross, the search is called off? It will never be called off until the last episode has been found or the last Who fan is dead. There are still Hitchcock fans searching for The Mountain Eagle, which is slowly approaching its centenary.
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Post by Andrew Parker on Nov 8, 2013 9:23:41 GMT
The pilot episode was copied onto film by mistake, perhaps the Feast of Steven was copied as well.
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Post by Steven Christopherson on Nov 8, 2013 9:34:30 GMT
Coughs into hand >bull crap< Sorry Coughs again
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Post by Anthony Tobin on Nov 8, 2013 9:41:52 GMT
Coughs into hand >bull crap< Sorry Coughs again That's a nasty case of smoker's cough you've got there. And skeptics mind.
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Post by richardfitzgerald on Nov 8, 2013 10:31:38 GMT
It says that one of the episodes found was Daleks Master Plan 7. Unless that's simply a typo, then it's a load of bollocks. According to Jon Preddle, in another thread, it is possible a 16mm telerecording was made during broadcast. Anyway, just read the rumour on DWA. doctorwhoarchive.com/2013/11/07/new-missing-episode-rumours-and-facts-for-november/Now pls excuse me for being thick, but can someone explain the "speculation" part re DWM and the telesnaps and the relavance to EOTD? I couldn't get the meaning (if there was a meaning there at all) As regards private collectors "cashing in". Now would realistically be the best time to do so. If they can offload their cop(y)(ies) cheaper and quicker than Mr Morris unloads his supposed hoard it makes more sense for "them" to get their orphans out first in case Mr Morris (supposedly) makes their "stuff" suddenly worth a lot less. At the very least, I'd expect announcements on WIS and TAS since it's documented that the TV station in Nigeria was sent those alongside WOF and EOTW. If one found WOF and EOTW there, one would quite reasonably expect to find the other 2 as well (since the TV station seemed to keep everything it was sent). The ship: These alleged 8000 or w/e cans, they must have been brought back to the UK via ship. Surely there must be a record somewhere of just which ports this ship called at on its way to the UK. Extrapolation with the records of which country brought what would then help to either debunk or give more credibility to more episodes being found. By my back of the envelope calculations 8000 cans would weigh at least 15 tons, not the 3 listed in that cargo docket. So unless Mr Morris had at least another four shipments of similar size that have gone unnoticed the theoretical haul would be about 1500 cans or around 750 hours of material. Slightly less than the Libray of Congress returns in other words by more likely to be populist material than the highbrow stuff LoC found. All assuming the cargo really was all UK TV material, of course. And I'm pretty confident any DW finds such as Enemy and Web will have gone air freight direct to London.
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 8, 2013 11:11:39 GMT
The pilot episode was copied onto film by mistake, perhaps the Feast of Steven was copied as well. What makes you think that the copy we have of the pilot was made by mistake?
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Post by Andrew Parker on Nov 8, 2013 11:15:34 GMT
The pilot episode was copied onto film by mistake, perhaps the Feast of Steven was copied as well. What makes you think that the copy we have of the pilot was made by mistake? I just assumed it was. I don't have Wiped to hand so I honestly can't remember the full story there. Was it made into a viewing print then to show Sydney rather than him watching the video tape?
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Post by Richard Bignell on Nov 8, 2013 13:06:44 GMT
Yes, a telerecording would certainly have been the way that Newman viewed the episode a few days after recording.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 15:59:19 GMT
The ship: These alleged 8000 or w/e cans, they must have been brought back to the UK via ship. Surely there must be a record somewhere of just which ports this ship called at on its way to the UK. Extrapolation with the records of which country brought what would then help to either debunk or give more credibility to more episodes being found. Er, this topic was picked over numerous times a few months ago! Let's not go round in circles again.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Nov 8, 2013 18:43:01 GMT
There's also the fact -- one that many seem to have overlooked -- that a quote for shipping container would include the weight of the container itself, so 3 ton is the TOTAL weight, not of just the contents.
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Post by steven g on Nov 8, 2013 23:34:37 GMT
Anyway its true I believe three weeks ago I wouldnt now I do the evidnce is to overwelming gaps in the video scheduel stuff being found nearly everyday at the end of the day there no reason to disbelive it unless of course someone is trying a little bit of disinformation in the mix.
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Post by Simon Smalley on Nov 8, 2013 23:35:33 GMT
Quite clearly partially fiction. Steve Roberts have been extremely clear and unparseable that he's aware of nothing else being returned out of the 97. And that there hasn't been any restoration of Marco Polo ... unless whoever has it is restoring it himself, which he thinks unlikely. Steve has been all but silent for months. I see no reason to doubt him. The only silver lining is that he's commented that he thinks more may be returned in the future. Clearly though, these bizarre stories of stories beginning with M being restored, of release schedules, etc., is fiction. What about wheel in Space wait that a w cmon there no reason to disbelieve this these where the same people that told nothing had been found then bang 9 turn up its best to keep an open mind about this theres no reason to disbelieve this unless of course people are throwing a liitle bit of disinformation from the people who are in the know.
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Post by Simon Smalley on Nov 8, 2013 23:41:10 GMT
Coughs into hand >bull crap< Sorry Coughs again That's a nasty case of smoker's cough you've got there. And skeptics mind and Disinformation to boot.
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