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Post by John Andersen on May 13, 2013 22:49:16 GMT
I think if the serial is recovered that there would be a positive reappraisal. Perhaps with the suspiciously unending rumours from several well connected sources it won't be long. Please lets not start chatting about unfounded speculation on here. This isn't the Gallifrey Base thread, where posters never let truth get in the way of a good rumour. Space Pirates hasn't been recovered and the BBC don't have any missing episodes. End of story. That is disappointing, but not surprising. No lost episodes have been found. The number of new televised episodes have been reduced in 2013. Not a whole lot to celebrate for the 50th this year.
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Post by Andrew Haddow on May 13, 2013 23:12:55 GMT
That is disappointing, but not surprising. No lost episodes have been found. The number of new televised episodes have been reduced in 2013. Not a whole lot to celebrate for the 50th this year. There are still six months left before the 50th, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for more substantial tributes nearer the time.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on May 13, 2013 23:33:43 GMT
That documentary about the start of the show will be an amazing tribute in itself.
I'm really hoping for one of those title cards at the end. You know, when sad or calm music is playing and a paragraph comes up explaining what happened to the characters in the future? We need one that says: "Today 106 episodes remain missing from the BBC archive"
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on May 13, 2013 23:41:29 GMT
Space Pirates hasn't been recovered and the BBC don't have any missing episodes. End of story. Surely it's only the end of the story if the only place one would find missing episodes is at the BBC. Of course, if material is known to be out there and not yet returned to the BBC, it's not surprising that the subject is avoided. So either way, there's no point speculating.
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Post by grantgoodman on May 14, 2013 2:39:27 GMT
Please lets not start chatting about unfounded speculation on here. This isn't the Gallifrey Base thread, where posters never let truth get in the way of a good rumour. Space Pirates hasn't been recovered and the BBC don't have any missing episodes. End of story. That is disappointing, but not surprising. No lost episodes have been found. The number of new televised episodes have been reduced in 2013. Not a whole lot to celebrate for the 50th this year. I'm looking forward to that Adventures in Space And Time movie (with David Bradley as Hartnell). BBC America have been doing these fun short documentaries on each Doctor and airing a Classic story.
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Post by Sue Butcher on May 14, 2013 2:51:39 GMT
There's a good chance of finding more of the episodes returned to the BBC by the ABC in 1975, "Space Pirates" included; we know this batch was picked over because most of the Troughton returns from collectors are ex-ABC prints. That's a far as I'll speculate!
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on May 14, 2013 3:19:12 GMT
There's a good chance of finding more of the episodes returned to the BBC by the ABC in 1975, "Space Pirates" included; we know this batch was picked over because most of the Troughton returns from collectors are ex-ABC prints. That's a far as I'll speculate! That seems fair enough. But I'd think it would be pretty random, and small-scale. An episode here and there.
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Post by grantgoodman on May 14, 2013 3:33:25 GMT
I agree I doubt will we find more then a handful of episodes in the future. If that.
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Post by ajsmith on May 14, 2013 11:38:15 GMT
I don't think interest in the episodes will decrease in the neat future. And don't call me Wayne.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on May 14, 2013 12:00:25 GMT
I think if the serial is recovered that there would be a positive reappraisal. Perhaps with the suspiciously unending rumours from several well connected sources it won't be long. Please lets not start chatting about unfounded speculation on here. This isn't the Gallifrey Base thread, where posters never let truth get in the way of a good rumour. It was only last week that Paul Vanezis denied that the Beeb had anything. Space Pirates hasn't been recovered and the BBC don't have any missing episodes. End of story. If the last few months have proved anything, it is that interest in missing episodes is probably stronger than it's ever been. 1. This is indeed not Gallifrey Base. I'm quite aware of this fact, given that it is the Missing Episodes Forum. I don't need someone insulting my intelligence. 2. Without unfounded speculation, there would be very little to talk about, and this and other forums would be almost lifeless. Most people would be better going off and reading Wiped! and then we would lose whatever entertainment and education we currently have going on in the existing DW forums. 3. Gallifrey Base does have its issues - power-mad mods, hoaxes galore and its fair share of nutters. It also has its fair share of articulate posters and there are a great deal of people on here that also post on GB. I think it's a bit rude to take a pop at GB just because you don't agree with my opinion. As I previously stated, there have been numerous reliable sources all pointing to a find. Just because it was debunked to a large extent last week does not mean that events have not taken another turn. I am quite happy to be optimistic, given my desire to find episodes has been rather brief in comparison to others. To conclude, I would agree with the point that interest has probably never been stronger. This in turn increases the possibility of further finds, and although there are many misguided people in regards to this issue, there are very intelligent and thoughtful people who don't just believe that 106 is the final number.
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Post by Rob Moss on May 14, 2013 12:52:38 GMT
As I previously stated, there have been numerous reliable sources all pointing to a find. Just because it was debunked to a large extent last week does not mean that events have not taken another turn. I am quite happy to be optimistic, given my desire to find episodes has been rather brief in comparison to others. What does it take - a weekly debunking post from Paul..? This sounds like the child in the back of the car who keeps saying "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? What about now? Now? What about now?"..! They may believe that, but it doesn't mean they're right. Interest in missing episodes only increases the possibility of further finds IF there are still episodes waiting to be found. At some point, we will reach the point where every episode that exists has been located, and everything else is gone forever. The trouble is, we may have already reached that point - unfortunately, we can't possibly know.
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Post by Rob Moss on May 14, 2013 12:54:01 GMT
There's a good chance of finding more of the episodes returned to the BBC by the ABC in 1975, "Space Pirates" included; we know this batch was picked over because most of the Troughton returns from collectors are ex-ABC prints. That's a far as I'll speculate! I'm trying to work out whether you'd be more disappointed if Space Pirates was to turn up than you would if it remained missing! ;D
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Post by Rob Moss on May 14, 2013 12:55:23 GMT
Please lets not start chatting about unfounded speculation on here. I'd agree. It's not good for your blood pressure.
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Post by Daniel Hornby on May 14, 2013 13:58:15 GMT
As I previously stated, there have been numerous reliable sources all pointing to a find. Just because it was debunked to a large extent last week does not mean that events have not taken another turn. I am quite happy to be optimistic, given my desire to find episodes has been rather brief in comparison to others. What does it take - a weekly debunking post from Paul..? This sounds like the child in the back of the car who keeps saying "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? What about now? Now? What about now?"..! They may believe that, but it doesn't mean they're right. Interest in missing episodes only increases the possibility of further finds IF there are still episodes waiting to be found. At some point, we will reach the point where every episode that exists has been located, and everything else is gone forever. The trouble is, we may have already reached that point - unfortunately, we can't possibly know. Rob, I should have not missed out the IF part, that was naughty of me! Regarding the child in the back of a car comment, it was neither my intention or inference that Paul should do that. All I said was that situations change over time, whether that be the next day, week, or decades! I think you were being a bit harsh on me there.
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Post by Rob Moss on May 14, 2013 14:19:24 GMT
No, I know that wasn't your intention, hence my smiley! My point is that it's a little disingenuous to read a denial and then straight away wonder whether the denial is out of date.
Of course you're right, situations can change, but equally they can stay the same for many years (possibly for ever), which is statistically far more likely in this case. This is why I wouldn't want to hold my breath waiting for something that might never come.
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