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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 12:40:22 GMT
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 24, 2013 14:39:14 GMT
The Reign of Terror is one of my all-time favourite episodes. (I was gutted to have have missed out on that 16mm 'Tyrant of France' eBay but it just got too expensive) If the animation is as ADHD as they say that would be a disappointment. That being said I'm really looking forward to seeing this myself as I'm expecting it to be a significant step-up to 'The Invasion'.
In short, I'm not expecting this release to be perfect, just as long as the 'animation' of missing material continues in the right direction I'm happy. On the 28th I'm going to be able to watch one of my favourite Hartnell's from start to finish, if there are odd quirks with the animation, I'm fairly certain I'll gloss over that.
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Post by George D on Jan 24, 2013 15:16:15 GMT
(I was gutted to have have missed out on that 16mm 'Tyrant of France' eBay but it just got too expensive). Did I miss something here? |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 24, 2013 15:23:14 GMT
I think he means the print of 'A Land of Fear' that was up for sale in March 2012, which went for £1600.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 24, 2013 15:25:02 GMT
(I was gutted to have have missed out on that 16mm 'Tyrant of France' eBay but it just got too expensive). Did I miss something here? I think he means the print of 'A Land of Fear' that was up for sale in March 2012, which went for £1600. Yes quite right, my apologies! Serves me right for rushing. |
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Post by George D on Jan 24, 2013 15:39:26 GMT
We are on the same page now. Though it would have been nicer if the other materialized.
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Post by M J Fouldes on Jan 24, 2013 15:49:38 GMT
I had to look twice there as I thought "Hang on! That's a missing one!"
Lovely though it would be to find that missing episode, imagine how annoying it would be now that they've spent all that time animating it!!!
MJ
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jan 24, 2013 20:34:34 GMT
Lovely though it would be to find that missing episode, imagine how annoying it would be now that they've spent all that time animating it!!! That may certainly be the case if we are lucky enough. Reign of Terror was sold to quite a few countries, and copies of the non-missing episodes have turned up. We may be faced one day with a Reign of Terror SE. Then again, although logic dictates that Marco Polo and Reign of Terror should be the most likely to be retrieved ... the last four recoveries have come from serials rarer than them. |
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jan 25, 2013 1:21:45 GMT
Isn't it odd that we have three episodes of "The Daleks' Master Plan"? Either there's something awry with the laws of probability, or it's the magic word "dalek" on the labels! But if it was the latter, there ought to be another four episodes of "Evil Of The Daleks" out there. Hmm.
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Post by Michael D. Kimpton on Jan 25, 2013 1:53:30 GMT
I think one fact we have to convince ourselves over is that animations will NEVER be perfect. There will always be a divide within the fandom over how good / bad it is. The thing is, while some people state, as is mentioned in the review, that it doesn't follow the style of the existing episodes, and has modern style film editing and such, the fact is that these things WILL be done differently. Let's face it: this is a serial with no tele-snaps for any of its episodes, including the existing ones, and as such it won't be easy to do perfectly. And as for modern film editing... Well, yes. That's because that way of editing is all people really know these days. We can't pretend that people can automatically become expert in the 1960s style of editing.
There will always be a divide on the subject of the animation, but in the end, we should be thankful that yet another Hartnell has made it to DVD, and the missing episodes have another visual representation outside of Loose Cannon, or any of the other recons you can find on youtube these days.
I wasn't going to write this, but it sort of bugs me that all these reviewers can do is criticize an animated recon of missing material because it's not 100%. That wasn't really a review; it was just a nitpick.
Please don't be angry with me, guys; I'm just throwing my two cents out there... (two cents?... I've really got to get rid of these American mannerisms and start being British again!!)
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 25, 2013 2:05:45 GMT
Isn't it odd that we have three episodes of "The Daleks' Master Plan"? Either there's something awry with the laws of probability, or it's the magic word "dalek" on the labels! The Daleks Master Plan film labels wouldn't have had the "story" title on them, only the individual episode title. It's a great pity no one at the time thought to keep / copy / record the labels on the cans of the prints that were found back in 1983... |
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 25, 2013 6:44:44 GMT
Isn't it odd that we have three episodes of "The Daleks' Master Plan"? Either there's something awry with the laws of probability, or it's the magic word "dalek" on the labels! But if it was the latter, there ought to be another four episodes of "Evil Of The Daleks" out there. Hmm. Sometimes a little luck and human intervention are involved. I am not sure those are taken into account concerning the laws of probability. |
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Post by colinjf on Jan 25, 2013 8:39:38 GMT
With regards to Mike's post above I must confess that I am one such naysayer, having watched the dvd release of 'Reign' some few days ago now. Now whilst I take his point that it is somewhat unavoidable that more modern styles of cutting and editing will make it into such animated ventures as this, I believe the problem really arises when you then place such efforts between existing episodes that are wholly products of the 60s. I can accept the fact that certain aspects that I tend to dislike about this new type of animation do at the end of the day come down to budgetary constraints and simply cannot be avoided but I don't believe fast cutting is one of them. that surely must be a stylistic choice. And if so I for one find it very distracting indeed which is a shame as I really like the story in question.
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Post by Sue Butcher on Jan 25, 2013 12:02:19 GMT
Quite right. They'd have to look at the other episodes to match the characters and sets, so why couldn't they match the visual style as well? It's a DVD; the viewer isn't going to change channels because the images aren't fast and distracting enough.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 25, 2013 13:36:20 GMT
I think one fact we have to convince ourselves over is that animations will NEVER be perfect. There will always be a divide within the fandom over how good / bad it is. The thing is, while some people state, as is mentioned in the review, that it doesn't follow the style of the existing episodes, and has modern style film editing and such, the fact is that these things WILL be done differently. I very much agree with you, but one point: It's actually easier to replica 1960's style editing that it is 'modern day'. In my experience (as an editor) choosing the 'style' is pretty much the first thing you'd do. In this case I'd say we probably have quicker shots so that more than one animator can work on each section at a time and thus increase the speed of the job. Saving time obviously saves money. The only thing I find odd is that I distinctly remember reading an interview with Dan Hall during the time of 'The Invasions' release where he stated (and I'm paraphrasing) that the 'feel' was crucial and that the animators were being told to strictly keep to a '60's feel in terms of camera movement etc. It seems odd that this could be so high on the agenda last time around and yet has been seemingly forgotten this time. Either way, I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it myself. I'm keeping everything crossed that it'll be an enjoyable way to watch a visual representation of missing material. |
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