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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 27, 2013 12:15:35 GMT
I've just watched it..
The first point, the restoration work is fantastic. The image quality on the existing episodes is superb.
Now, onto the animation.. The cutting is a little distracting, there's just too much pace being added. I got the impression that 'reaction shots' were slightly overused. Hartnell's face is pretty good but I felt his eyes were too large and his mannerisms not quite on the mark. During his 'hmm mm's' I expected to see a bit more arching of his eyebrows and downturning of his lips. If animation is used going forward I'd expect this to improve. Ian, Susan and Barbara on the other hand were flawless.
The cuts slowed down as the episode went on and this was very welcome. The sets and the depth of field looked wonderful. I can't help feel that rather than this being animated frame by frame the decision was taken to draw likenesses and apply facial animation. This adds a smooth 3Desq quality to the head movements and would have been less distracting if the number of 'reactions' and jump cuts had been decreased.
I hope this isn't being overly harsh because it was a wonderful way to watch missing material - it's just with a few small changes it could have been drastically improved. The animation does the job of providing linking footage very well but I can see why at this stage it's best used only to supplement stories where most of the footage still exists. I think a lot more needs to be done before entire missing serials could be completed on this way.
On the whole (restoration/extras etc) at 9/10 a must buy. But I'd put the animation at 7/10.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jan 27, 2013 12:31:30 GMT
What was the quality of episode 3? I wasn't sure if they had used the stored or suppressed field for that episode.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 27, 2013 13:12:26 GMT
What was the quality of episode 3? I wasn't sure if they had used the stored or suppressed field for that episode. The quality of episode of three was excellent in my opinion. So I'd presume it was stored field - although I'm no expert in these things!
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jan 27, 2013 13:14:38 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, it would be the first time the stored field has been used for a product. The VHS used the Suppressed. Oh I'm tempted to run to the mall and pick it up! Err ... that is if my region is now selling them. Edit: Dang it! I have to wait until the 12th!
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 27, 2013 15:53:53 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, it would be the first time the stored field has been used for a product. The VHS used the Suppressed. Oh I'm tempted to run to the mall and pick it up! Err ... that is if my region is now selling them. Edit: Dang it! I have to wait until the 12th! Buy it when it comes out and you'll be very satisfied indeed. If they get Hartnell's mannerisms right and slow down the pace of the cuts it'd be damn near perfect!
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 27, 2013 21:50:08 GMT
Buy it when it comes out and you'll be very satisfied indeed. If they get Hartnell's mannerisms right and slow down the pace of the cuts it'd be damn near perfect! Have they incorporated the 8mm clips into the animation, or replaced those with animated versions of the same footage, or have the scenes been created wholly as new without reference to the clips? Do the 8mm clips appear on the disk at all? Though, I guess I could just wait and find out for myself when the R4 release is available on Wednesday...!
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 27, 2013 22:27:43 GMT
Buy it when it comes out and you'll be very satisfied indeed. If they get Hartnell's mannerisms right and slow down the pace of the cuts it'd be damn near perfect! Have they incorporated the 8mm clips into the animation, or replaced those with animated versions of the same footage, or have the scenes been created wholly as new without reference to the clips? Do the 8mm clips appear on the disk at all? Though, I guess I could just wait and find out for myself when the R4 release is available on Wednesday...! The reprise at the start of episode 4 was animated just as the footage showed at the end of episode 3. As for the offscreen 8mm stuff - I don't know the footage well enough to say - if they were used as reference it wasn't mentioned in the 'making of'. I'd presume it was though, surely!
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Feb 3, 2013 11:20:06 GMT
The 8mm clips don't appear on the disk (unless there's an Easter Egg I've missed).
Pretty certain episode 3 is the stored field version, there's a definite step-up in quality compared with episodes 1 and 2. Episode 6 is better still, almost pristine quality. Not sure why 6 should be better quality than 3? Think the stored field versions were were recovered from the same source weren't they?
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Post by Simeon Carter on Feb 3, 2013 14:52:25 GMT
No, neither the 8mm clips or VHS links are on the DVD which is a shame but certainly doesn't ruin the DVD, especially with the 8mm clips present on Lost In Time.
Episode 3 and 6 are sourced from private collectors or are mentioned in the booklet and are different, better quality, stored field prints from the VHS release.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Feb 3, 2013 15:53:11 GMT
I think the conversation was that Episode 6 was found, and then some time later Episode 3 was given by the same collector. EDIT, GO HERE: missingepisodes.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=who&action=display&thread=8072Episode 3 was returned via same individual several years after the return of Episode 6. It wasn't until 1994 though that they realized Episode 3 was a Stored Field. It was quick, but David also mentions that due to Sprocket damage, the Suppressed Field was used instead of the Stored Field. It sounds like the quality has been upped, so they likely worked on this damage for the DVD. (Sounds like the same kind of damage they've faced with Underwater Menace 2)
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Post by Alex Weidmann on Feb 3, 2013 16:11:24 GMT
There's a full account on the RT website: www.restoration-team.co.uk/Look for Reign at the top of the VHS Releases section. I think the difference in quality could be due to a different film recorder having been used, since the prints may not have been produced at the same time.
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Post by adamjordan on Feb 3, 2013 21:37:35 GMT
I've just watched it..... But I'd put the animation at 7/10. I have heard the same points about the rapid cuts elsewhere. I don't think i will take too long for some enterprising souls to have their own 'improved' versions up and running.
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Post by Gordon Roxburgh on Feb 3, 2013 22:42:54 GMT
I noticed that at the end of Episode 5 in the animated version the caption reads "Next Episode Prisoners of THE Conciergerie". But Episode 6 is actually titled "Prisoners of Conciergerie".
Is this simply an error, or did the original camera script and caption include "the"??
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 3, 2013 23:05:05 GMT
A couple of captions seem get details wrong, Five Hundred Eyes was billed as The Cave Of Five Hundred Eyes on the next episode caption.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 3, 2013 23:19:52 GMT
I noticed that at the end of Episode 5 in the animated version the caption reads "Next Episode Prisoners of THE Conciergerie". But Episode 6 is actually titled "Prisoners of Conciergerie". Is this simply an error, or did the original camera script and caption include "the"?? The ep 5 camera script does indeed call it "Prisoners of the Conciergerie". Likewise for "Cave of the Five Hundred Eyes". And the c/s for Celestial Toymaker ep 4 records the caption as "Holiday for the Doctor" instead of "A Holiday..." , and it's the former that's been restored to The Final Test. The camera scripts aren't 100% accurate, though - the c/s for "Air Lock" for instance records that the title and writer caption come up over a shot of the Doctor and Vicki in the corridor, whereas the episode has the caption coming up over the earlier shot of the Rill. The credits and casts list captions were made by the appropriate graphics department, who were sent an order memo which detailed the text required, rather than from their own reference to the camera scripts. Chances are, should any of these memos be found, they would have the correct titles rather than the ones given in the camera scripts. The restorers have to make a judgement call when deciding which captions to use when the c/s offers something different.
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