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Post by D. Frame on Jan 8, 2013 21:24:03 GMT
Good way to let me look stupid, or in need of glasses. On the other hand now you've released me from my stupidity I'm more happy with what I see. Ha! I apologise I wasn't trying to make anyone look silly! It was very 'blink and you'd miss it'! I wouldn't worry about it, I've always been a bit of a tit. But I'm happy in my tittyness. No breasts involved.
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Post by alanriley on Jan 8, 2013 22:22:01 GMT
The Jon Pertwee animation is exactly the same as the manga Doctor Who cartoon that appeared on YouTube a while back. Very cleverly done too.
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Post by Craig Robins on Jan 9, 2013 2:40:05 GMT
The Lesterson animation clip is a VERY intriguing development.
A couple of months back, a rumour started (allegedly by Anneke Wills) that Power of the Daleks had been returned complete. I immediately dismissed this as unlikely in the extreme, given that only two prints ever existed and one is those was reportedly destroyed. The rumour was subsequently debunked by people who ought to know.
Dan Hall has gone on record stating that budget limitations preclude animating more than two missing episodes for any given story. Possibly, given the significance of Power as both the first post-regeneration story in the series' history and Pat Troughton's debut, it might have been decided to bend this self-imposed rule for the 50th anniversary and stretch it to three or possibly four episodes of animation... But Power has six episodes so I'm sure we can rule that out too.
My other thought was maybe they would consider animating just the first episode of Power and packaging that with a Tenth Planet release to cover the complete regeneration. That theory doesn't hold up either as the Lesterson clip appears to be from a later episode where he finally realises the enormity of what he has done.
So based on all we know as fact, what can be the justification behind animating any of episodes of Power? You'll just have to draw your own conclusions.
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Post by D. Frame on Jan 9, 2013 7:42:05 GMT
If I was a fan and was hoping to get more work and money animating lost episodes, I would need something to show what I could do. As It was said before its probably clips from short pieces to show what they can do if they get the job.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 9, 2013 8:07:16 GMT
The Lesterson animation clip is a VERY intriguing development. A couple of months back, a rumour started (allegedly by Anneke Wills) that Power of the Daleks had been returned complete. I immediately dismissed this as unlikely in the extreme, given that only two prints ever existed and one is those was reportedly destroyed. The rumour was subsequently debunked by people who ought to know. Dan Hall has gone on record stating that budget limitations preclude animating more than two missing episodes for any given story. Possibly, given the significance of Power as both the first post-regeneration story in the series' history and Pat Troughton's debut, it might have been decided to bend this self-imposed rule for the 50th anniversary and stretch it to three or possibly four episodes of animation... But Power has six episodes so I'm sure we can rule that out too. My other thought was maybe they would consider animating just the first episode of Power and packaging that with a Tenth Planet release to cover the complete regeneration. That theory doesn't hold up either as the Lesterson clip appears to be from a later episode where he finally realises the enormity of what he has done. So based on all we know as fact, what can be the justification behind animating any of episodes of Power? You'll just have to draw your own conclusions. There is of course another option, that Power has been/or will be remade by CBBC. I realise its unlikely but worth flagging.
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Post by John Andersen on Jan 9, 2013 9:46:53 GMT
As It was said before its probably clips from short pieces to show what they can do if they get the job. Well, that would be very disappointing.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 9, 2013 10:49:40 GMT
The Lesterson animation clip is a VERY intriguing development. A couple of months back, a rumour started (allegedly by Anneke Wills) that Power of the Daleks had been returned complete. I immediately dismissed this as unlikely in the extreme, given that only two prints ever existed and one is those was reportedly destroyed. The rumour was subsequently debunked by people who ought to know. Dan Hall has gone on record stating that budget limitations preclude animating more than two missing episodes for any given story. Possibly, given the significance of Power as both the first post-regeneration story in the series' history and Pat Troughton's debut, it might have been decided to bend this self-imposed rule for the 50th anniversary and stretch it to three or possibly four episodes of animation... But Power has six episodes so I'm sure we can rule that out too. My other thought was maybe they would consider animating just the first episode of Power and packaging that with a Tenth Planet release to cover the complete regeneration. That theory doesn't hold up either as the Lesterson clip appears to be from a later episode where he finally realises the enormity of what he has done. So based on all we know as fact, what can be the justification behind animating any of episodes of Power? You'll just have to draw your own conclusions. There is of course another option, that Power has been/or will be remade by CBBC. I realise its unlikely but worth flagging. But if it had been remade, why would Anneke be party to this..?
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Post by D. Frame on Jan 9, 2013 11:16:55 GMT
There is of course another option, that Power has been/or will be remade by CBBC. I realise its unlikely but worth flagging. But if it had been remade, why would Anneke be party to this..? If it was being remade as an aimed at children cartoon, it wouldn't have to follow the original story or use the original sound. Perhaps they will recast and as a nod to the past Anneke is playing either Polly or one of the other characters ? Or it's the story of power but brought up to date with Matt's doctor.
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Post by Elliott Prince on Jan 9, 2013 13:34:49 GMT
It must have been found - they've got the DVD cover ready! art.gmaskew.com/barryp/large/power_of_the_daleks.jpg[Please don't embed images that make the page width unfeasibly large! Hyperlinks are preferable in any case, so that people who don't want to see the images can avoid them. Many thanks - Rob]
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 9, 2013 14:13:59 GMT
Elliott - that is how rumours start!
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Post by Craig Robins on Jan 9, 2013 19:01:37 GMT
If I was a fan and was hoping to get more work and money animating lost episodes, I would need something to show what I could do. As It was said before its probably clips from short pieces to show what they can do if they get the job. Are you suggesting that having delivered two episodes of Reign of Terror, they need to animate a couple of short clips to demonstrate what they can do???!!! Here's a report I read today which muddies the waters further: David Tennant was a guest on The Jonathan Ross Show last night and he was grilled about Doctor Who’s 50th Anniversary for the nth time.
Despite Ross’ persistence Tennant insists that no one has spoken to him about it and claims he knows nothing.
He adds: “I’ll tell you how terrified they are. In make-up, this lovely lady from the BBC came in and she said ‘I’ve been sent to say that anything about the Doctor Who 50th anniversary must not be mentioned on television.’ That’s how scared they are! I don’t know anything and they’re sending out spies to shut me up from telling you things I don’t know!”To me, it's very clear that they will do all they can to keep everything under wraps, so whatever denials are made, you simply can't trust them. However, evidence like the discovered-by-chance Power animation clip is irrefutable. Of course, we can only surmise why it was done but as I said previously, you'll just have to draw your own conclusions because no one's going to tell you anything.
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Post by D. Frame on Jan 9, 2013 20:05:37 GMT
Can't help thinking if it was made for the BBC they would have to give their permission for it to be used as clips. So how secret could it be ? Perdhaps it's what they did first before they were given The Reign of Terror. By the way I love the DVD cover, but what on earth has it done to the whole of page 3 of this thread when you view it on an iPad ? The pictures giant and the rest of the text is microscopic ?
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Post by nicholasrferrara on Jan 9, 2013 20:07:50 GMT
Craig, you are assuming that they made the demos after they made the Reign of Terror. Demo or pitch reels are clips of some of the best of your work to show what you (or your company) can do for a potential client. If you are pitching to a major job, you might make some special demo material specifically for that pitch. For example; animating short sequences with many different Doctors doing many different styles and variteies to show that you could adapt to the varying needs a company like BBC might have. No mystery there at all. This is just a demo reel for other potential jobs that included other demos they used. This makes complete sense, especially when you think about the fact that there are no missing Pertwee episodes, but there are Pertwee clips (albeit as an anime style figure) in the demo.
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Post by adamjordan on Jan 9, 2013 21:15:03 GMT
If that is a shot from an animation for Power then either they are not bothering to animate Lesterson's spectacles or else it is a scene after he witnesses the Dalek production line. However, his collar is done up so I presume the former scenario. The shot would appear to be from a scene in the colony city as I don't expect Daleks to use laptops. Most probably in Lesterson's lab.
But of course, there is no Power animation...............
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Post by Craig Robins on Jan 9, 2013 22:11:29 GMT
Craig, you are assuming that they made the demos after they made the Reign of Terror. Demo or pitch reels are clips of some of the best of your work to show what you (or your company) can do for a potential client. If you are pitching to a major job, you might make some special demo material specifically for that pitch. For example; animating short sequences with many different Doctors doing many different styles and variteies to show that you could adapt to the varying needs a company like BBC might have. No mystery there at all. This is just a demo reel for other potential jobs that included other demos they used. This makes complete sense, especially when you think about the fact that there are no missing Pertwee episodes, but there are Pertwee clips (albeit as an anime style figure) in the demo. Yes, I am assuming that Reign came first. To me, the most logical sequence of events is that 2entertain would have asked various companies to quote and provide examples of what they could do, and they would have provided material only from episodes that stood any realistic chance of being needed. And certainly it's known that the animators supplied test shots from Reign. The Pertwee clips are a red herring. They are certainly not from missing episodes, as you say, so are likely to have been done for an entirely differnt project. That's my take on things, anyway, but everyone is entitled to their own theories.
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