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Post by Pete Morris on Nov 12, 2012 20:05:05 GMT
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Post by markboulton on Nov 12, 2012 20:06:46 GMT
Whoever paid £109 for it is going to be right miffed when he plays it and finds it's the live Emmerdale from the other week that's now on it.
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Post by John Green on Nov 12, 2012 20:56:45 GMT
Hmmm.Four of the five bidders,for whom we have figures,have 6,381 feedback points between them.Two of them were prepared to go over a hundred quid.
Either they're rich as Croesus and money means nothing to them,or they know more than we do about the content.
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Post by Neil Megson on Nov 13, 2012 10:03:17 GMT
£109  There must be more to this than the listing shows - would anyone really pay that much on the off chance there was something interesting there ? Not wanting to accuse the seller of anything, but when they say "MARKED AS PER DESCRIPTION BUT NO MACHINE TO PLAY ON SO SOLD AS SEEN" is this really true, or is it just a way of getting round eBay restrictions on selling copyrighted material ? I don't use eBay myself, but does this happen a lot, i.e. tapes are sold as "unknown" but PMs to the seller reveal the "real" content ? LCV-120 tapes were only introduced in 1977, so no missing TOTP - maybe there was something on Swap Shop collectors would like to get hold of ? |
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Post by John Green on Nov 13, 2012 12:34:45 GMT
I suppose someone could upgrade from an older format to LCV,transffering older material?
And there do seem to be quite a lot of these 'unknowns'.Mind you car-booters sometimes have a little sign declaring that all the off-airs they're selling have been wiped.Seems unlikely.
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Post by Mike Davies on Nov 13, 2012 12:56:24 GMT
For what it's worth, this seller has sold 2 other N1500/N1700 tapes on ebay in the past, including one which had Swapshop on it as well, although these only fetched relatively small amounts. I also seem to remember (unless I was imagining it) that another of his previous N1500/N1700 listings was pulled by ebay (as I had a watch on the listing in question at the time).
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Post by John Green on Nov 13, 2012 13:01:21 GMT
Good one.I meant to check.Frustrating,but I don't suppose it was possible to glean any information about the winning bidders? (Not that I'm nosey...).
I know that in this auction bidders' identities were kept secret.That seems more common even with innocuous stuff,but it makes me wonder.The same thing applied with the missing Alfie Bass show,Uncle thing,that sold a few months back.
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Post by Mike Davies on Nov 13, 2012 13:18:05 GMT
Yes - unfortunately, you can no longer get much information from finished listings about bidders unless you know about them already and can match using their feedback total. The only thing that I noticed was that the underbidder in this lot chose to remain private so you can glean even less about him and also that the winner of the 2 previous N1500/N1700 tapes also chose to remain private, which may or may not be significant.
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Post by John Green on Nov 13, 2012 13:25:40 GMT
I need to gen up on all this.On the one hand,you cant see the majority of the bidders' identities because they're hidden by asterisks,but with the other one you get nothing whatever.
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Post by Mike Davies on Nov 13, 2012 14:57:35 GMT
The bidders who have (private) after their names have chosen not to have their feedback etc accessible. ie this is determined by the bidder themselves stating that they want their feedback to remain private. Make of it what you will as to why they may want to do this. The ones with asterisks have not chosen to remain private, but ebay automatically puts the asterisks and a couple of random characters in, presumably to stop people trying to sell to them outside of ebay. The only thing which might identify the bidder (apart from the private ones) is the feedback rating number (which ebay doesn't mess with) if you already suspect who it is from previous knowledge. In the early days of ebay, you could even get the emails of the underbidders even if you weren't the seller, but these days are long gone. To complicate matters further, the seller himself can choose for the bidders to remain private, but if he does this, no bidders feedback numbers at all will be seen (they are all shown as private listing - bidders' identities protected). Therefore, this was not the case with the N1500/N1700 listings.
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Post by John Green on Nov 13, 2012 15:43:46 GMT
It's a drag because we also don't get the information through feedback,such as "Sound and picture quality are wonderful for its age".
Or do we? I've check once or twice where rare TV has sold,and there wasn't any feedback.For the sellers,cash makes up for that,I suppose.
If I had any old-style tapes,I'd have to make sure that the labels didn't peel off...
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Post by Mike Davies on Nov 13, 2012 16:14:26 GMT
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Post by John Green on Nov 13, 2012 19:57:04 GMT
Difficult one.So many people are afraid of leaving negative feedback because of certain retaliation.
What can one say,anyway? "I took a punt on this,hoping it would be some rare,missing,performance.Instead it was blank/Coronation Street/someone's wedding and honeymoon tape."
I wouldn't be surprised to find people in future selling off-air recordings of officially-released material,making out it's hush-hush,or presenting it as including the so rare continuity announcements to 'The Happiness Patrol',and making a packet out of it,and garnering very positive feedback.
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Post by John Green on Nov 13, 2012 20:04:08 GMT
Hmmm.Nothing libelous here,just the facts,ma'am.
Seller has a total of 9 feedback points,5 in the last month,of which 2 were negative.One referred to a DVD being a copy (though the seller states that it was so-described),the other to non-receipt of a Larry the Lamb DVD set (sellers says a second copy was in fact sent).
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Post by Richard Marple on Nov 13, 2012 21:06:26 GMT
I've heard about the pitfalls of buying old tapes thinking something rare in one them.
According to someone regardless of the label, 1980s tapes often just have films recorded off-air, the Star Wars series seem to be a common find.
I've bought a few old looking tapes cheaply from car boot sales but didn't find anything interesting apart from some period (early-mid 1990s) ads & trailers.
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There must be more to this than the listing shows - would anyone really pay that much on the off chance there was something interesting there ? Not wanting to accuse the seller of anything, but when they say "MARKED AS PER DESCRIPTION BUT NO MACHINE TO PLAY ON SO SOLD AS SEEN" is this really true, or is it just a way of getting round eBay restrictions on selling copyrighted material ? I don't use eBay myself, but does this happen a lot, i.e. tapes are sold as "unknown" but PMs to the seller reveal the "real" content ?