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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 17, 2012 3:20:13 GMT
I have seen the picture on the right before ... and I believe that is the image thought to be from Marco Polo. The other I have not seen and so am presuming is from The Aztecs. Actually, the one on the right is from The Aztecs (ep 4, about 13 minutes in on PAL, if you wanna look!) The one on the left is supposedly from Marco Polo, ep 6 or 7.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 17, 2012 7:29:40 GMT
Thanks again Jon. It is really hard to tell where these images come from so thanks for the help.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 17, 2012 17:16:03 GMT
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 17, 2012 18:41:55 GMT
That's the one! The person who took those photos was probably trying to get a two-shot of the Doctor and Cameca, but at the very moment he pressed the shutter button, the camera angle changed to that oh-so brief cut away to the Doctor, before back again to the two shot. It probably wasn't until he got the pictures back that he saw what he had taken instead of what had been intended. There's no way they could have anticipated and taken that shot deliberately, even on a repeat transmission, given that it's only on screen for two seconds (?) and I doubt anyone had reflexes that quick!
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 17, 2012 18:44:27 GMT
I have another group of questions about Dicky Howett off-air The Daleks images if you don't mind.
1.) Which episodes do the off-air images from The Daleks come from? 2.) Are there more off-air images from The Daleks, other than the three in DWM 88? 3.) Were they taken from the original transmission in England or were they taken abroad?
I also was wondering if anyone knew anything about the off-air photos from Tomb 3 and Wheel 3 that Richard mentioned and The Invasion ones that Richard B mentioned?
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Post by John Green on Jan 17, 2012 18:57:08 GMT
Might it be worth starting a sweepstakes where everyone puts in a quid to estimate where in Marcp Polo the Hartnell photo comes e.g.episode 2 24 minutes in? When the story's found,the winner could walk away with a substantial amount. Kidding aside,I suspect it's from the end of the last episode.Was there any other point where he'd look smug?
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 17, 2012 20:22:20 GMT
I don't quite see that happening jgreen! Does anyone know for certain which episodes these images came from and does anyone know the answers to some other questions of mine?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 17, 2012 21:03:06 GMT
1.) Which episodes do the off-air images from The Daleks come from? 2.) Are there more off-air images from The Daleks, other than the three in DWM 88? 3.) Were they taken from the original transmission in England or were they taken abroad? 1) They are all from part four, "The Ambush" - time-coded at 3:00, 19:30 and 11:40 (the second and third are printed out of order) 2) Unknown 3) Howett says he took them off-air himself, so this would have been during the original 63/64 UK broadcast.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 17, 2012 21:13:24 GMT
Thank you once again Jon for the info.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jan 18, 2012 9:10:18 GMT
That's the one! The person who took those photos was probably trying to get a two-shot of the Doctor and Cameca, but at the very moment he pressed the shutter button, the camera angle changed to that oh-so brief cut away to the Doctor, before back again to the two shot. It probably wasn't until he got the pictures back that he saw what he had taken instead of what had been intended. There's no way they could have anticipated and taken that shot deliberately, even on a repeat transmission, given that it's only on screen for two seconds (?) and I doubt anyone had reflexes that quick! I always wondered if that was shot as a pick up and cut in later on because it was staggeringly quick, and quite unusual an edit when you consider the rest of that serial, let alone 60's television.
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Post by John Green on Jan 18, 2012 16:55:36 GMT
So by the same token,the Marco Polo head shot of Hartnell was probably meant to be the previous one of several thousand horsemen thundering across the landscape.Of all the shots to miss!
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Post by George D on Jan 18, 2012 22:35:08 GMT
how did the bbc do the several thousand horseman? was it stock footage?
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Post by Rob Moss on Jan 18, 2012 22:47:42 GMT
how did the bbc do the several thousand horseman? was it stock footage? Probably William Russell pointing off camera and slowly moving his arm across the screen while the Grams operator plays in "Advancing Hordes on Horseback" from BBC Sound Effects disc number 11a.
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Post by Simeon Carter on Jan 18, 2012 22:49:17 GMT
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Post by John Green on Jan 18, 2012 23:10:34 GMT
My apologies for the pun about the thousand horsemen.I really didn't mean to raise false hopes. I was always under the impression that cameras usually couldn't get much of an image from a television screen.How easy was it in those days to take a photo of DW? This thread really has brought home the nature of 60s-view-it-now-or-it's-gone-forever TV.People couldn't think "There's a good bit coming up in a minute.I'll photograph that."It was unrolling in front of their eyes.No chance of looking ahead and no rewinding.
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