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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 30, 2012 21:33:24 GMT
Being one who was around back then, I at least got to see a few of the now-missing episodes... Of course, not being able to see them again is the sad bit... Which ones did you see? I was born in 1978, the year the film & videotape library came into existance... so I was a bit late... I was born in 1964. I was 5,6,7 when the last few Hartnells and the first two Troughton seasons aired in NZ in 1969-71 (NZ didn't get season 6 because we'd gone to colour in 1973). I have very clear memories from Tenth Planet 4, Power of the Daleks 1, all of Moonbase, all of Macra Terror, bits from Evil of the Daleks 4 and 7, all of Tomb of the Cybermen, Web of Fear 6 and all of Wheel in Space. They say the memory cheats, but what I can remember stacks up against the existing footage (and telesnaps) from those stories.
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Post by Brad Phipps on Jan 30, 2012 21:54:05 GMT
Can I steal your brain...?
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Post by David Pountney on Jan 30, 2012 23:33:29 GMT
Which ones did you see? I was born in 1978, the year the film & videotape library came into existance... so I was a bit late... I was born in 1964. I was 5,6,7 when the last few Hartnells and the first two Troughton seasons aired in NZ in 1969-71 (NZ didn't get season 6 because we'd gone to colour in 1973). I have very clear memories from Tenth Planet 4, Power of the Daleks 1, all of Moonbase, all of Macra Terror, bits from Evil of the Daleks 4 and 7, all of Tomb of the Cybermen, Web of Fear 6 and all of Wheel in Space. They say the memory cheats, but what I can remember stacks up against the existing footage (and telesnaps) from those stories. If you can remember from Evil of the Daleks 7 just a quick question, can you remember whether the Dalek Emperor head had 2 moving parts aswell as the eyestalk?
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 30, 2012 23:45:08 GMT
If you can remember from Evil of the Daleks 7 just a quick question, can you remember whether the Dalek Emperor head had 2 moving parts aswell as the eyestalk? Sadly, I have no recollection of the Emperor. What I do recall are the closeup shots of the Daleks with their lids blown off and "spaghetti" bubbling inside. I also remember the Doctor and other characters walking along a narrow cliff side ledge, surrounded by dead trees - from the end or possibly from ep 6.
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Post by George D on Jan 31, 2012 0:46:15 GMT
While your very fortunate to have the memories you have, I think we're all fortunate to have seen as much as we did and have the technology to own it in video/dvd form. We still have about half the hartnells/troughtons and with our hd tvs and lightning fast computers we can communicate with people around the world and things are being cataloged as never before believed possible.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Feb 9, 2012 2:28:50 GMT
According to Wikipedia in German, ZDF had all 6 episodes. Hopefully they didn't send them back or destroyed them. BFBS was the only broadcaster in Germany. ZDF declined the show, but once again BFBS junked anything the had in their own possesion.
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 9, 2012 3:39:54 GMT
According to Wikipedia in German, ZDF had all 6 episodes. Hopefully they didn't send them back or destroyed them. BFBS was the only broadcaster in Germany. ZDF declined the show, but once again BFBS junked anything the had in their own possesion. The key to this lead is ZDF. I don't think they would have sent the prints to BFBS since they were not going to buy the program anyway. If the prints still exist, the safest place would have been ZDF. If they returned the prints to the BBC or sent them onto another country, then chances are they were destroyed.
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 9, 2012 4:03:40 GMT
If they returned the prints to the BBC or sent them onto another country, then chances are they were destroyed. If the prints were of broadcast quality, chances are they were sent back to the BBC, or on to another country (in Europe?) to which the BBC was hoping to sell the series. The BBC had previously offered the series to Germany (and several other countries in Europe) in 1965. It looks like they were having another go at cracking the European market three years later - but as it turns out with the same result = no sale.
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 9, 2012 6:00:13 GMT
If they returned the prints to the BBC or sent them onto another country, then chances are they were destroyed. If the prints were of broadcast quality, chances are they were sent back to the BBC, or on to another country (in Europe?) to which the BBC was hoping to sell the series. The BBC had previously offered the series to Germany (and several other countries in Europe) in 1965. It looks like they were having another go at cracking the European market three years later - but as it turns out with the same result = no sale. I am kind of surprised that they sent viewing prints of The Ice Warriors. After seeing the impact the Daleks had on the program through the Hartnell era in terms of viewers, I'm surprised they didn't send something like The Evil of the Daleks. If I only had one chance to impress them in order to make a sale, I would have sent in the best I had available. That story had a little of everything in terms of adventure. Traveling through time from the present to the past, and then traveling into the future to Skaro. If Patrick Troughton and the Daleks in that story were not enough to impress them, then I don't know what else could have been done. It kind of reminds me of Patrick Troughton saying a line in The Wheel In Space. "How do you convince a man like that?"
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Post by Giles Sparrow on Feb 9, 2012 7:16:21 GMT
The BBC had previously offered the series to Germany (and several other countries in Europe) in 1965. It looks like they were having another go at cracking the European market three years later - but as it turns out with the same result = no sale. An interesting lead to follow up, nevertheless - granted it's a potential wild goose chase without any paperwork, but it seems unlikely they'd have only targeted Germany unless the approach came from ZDF. So could other viewing prints have been sent out to other European broadcasters around the same time, or might this one have been bicycled around?
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Post by John Andersen on Feb 9, 2012 7:22:29 GMT
The BBC had previously offered the series to Germany (and several other countries in Europe) in 1965. It looks like they were having another go at cracking the European market three years later - but as it turns out with the same result = no sale. An interesting lead to follow up, nevertheless - granted it's a potential wild goose chase without any paperwork, but it seems unlikely they'd have only targeted Germany unless the approach came from ZDF. So could other viewing prints have been sent out to other European broadcasters around the same time, or might this one have been bicycled around? If they follow the same strategy when it came to sales to other countries, then it would be logical to believe that one set of prints was sent to the other countries in Europe.
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Post by Giles Sparrow on Feb 9, 2012 7:25:57 GMT
I am kind of surprised that they sent viewing prints of The Ice Warriors. After seeing the impact the Daleks had on the program through the Hartnell era in terms of viewers, I'm surprised they didn't send something like The Evil of the Daleks. If I only had one chance to impress them in order to make a sale, I would have sent in the best I had available. That story had a little of everything in terms of adventure. Traveling through time from the present to the past, and then traveling into the future to Skaro. If Patrick Troughton and the Daleks in that story were not enough to impress them, then I don't know what else could have been done. It kind of reminds me of Patrick Troughton saying a line in The Wheel In Space. "How do you convince a man like that?" Not wanting to drag this too far off topic, but I'd have thought both the Troughton Dalek stories would be problematic as sales tools, since they both rely on an audience familiarity with the Daleks that is then undermined by what happens in the story. Stone-cold classics to us, yes, but they'd lose their impact if you didn't know what the Daleks were already. What's slightly more puzzling is that they weren't trying to sell the series with Tomb, which is pretty much tailor-made as a "jumping-on point" for new viewers. In the unlikely event that anything comes of this lead, however, we may ultimately be glad that they weren't!
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Post by Richard Marple on Feb 9, 2012 13:21:26 GMT
The Dalek films were shown in some European countries, The Sixties book has a picture of a Spanish poster.
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Post by George D on Feb 9, 2012 23:22:27 GMT
Granted being familiar with the daleks is helpful. That being said I think that Evil of the Daleks stands up well as a plot even if one isnt familiar with them. With less existing of power its hard for me to judge it although I think troughton is much better in evil.
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Post by John Green on Feb 9, 2012 23:36:07 GMT
I think to some extent,this is dealt with by the Doctor explaining to his naive new companions (and youngers kids who've just started watching) who the Daleks or Cybermen are. The other side of this,of course,is when the companions see the beasties first,and don't realise the threat,but we viewers do,and hope that the companions' descriptions are good enough to warn the Doctor in time.
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