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Post by Steven Sigel on Jun 27, 2011 1:32:45 GMT
I really think it's time to give up If there was anything it would most likely have been found by now Being Doctor Who fans we want to think that there is still something out there, but there's a strong chance there's nothing. It's been a while since any missing Dr Who turned up and, consequently, the probability of anything else being found is reducing. However, let's consider a few points: (1) missing material contemporary with, or older than, missing Dr Who is still turning up. (2) there is a lot of other missing material that somebody looking for missing Dr Who might find. When people like Paul get into an archive they look for anything and everything. (3) There are Pertwee episodes that only survive in b&w and either have no choma dots or Colour Recovery is difficult - e.g., Mind of Evil. An off-air colour recording, even on a non-professional format, could help restore these to something approaching their former glory. So, to summarise, yes, let's be realistic but keep looking. #1 - this is true, however, other missing material is often a lot lower profile than Dr. Who, so that an archive (for instance) might still have some random show that no one knows is missing, but might have been checked numerous times in the past for high profile stuff like Dr. Who. #2 I agree #3 It's only episode 1 of Mind of Evil that doesn't have the chroma dots.
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Post by Ross Mann on Jun 27, 2011 5:54:04 GMT
Hmm I completly agree with everything thats been said guys, Its only because im a "Doctor Who Freak" (as the old man likes too call me) that i became aware of the extant of the junkings. In hindsight its a real shame this happened, but with tv being the ephemeral medium it is (blink and you'd miss it) TV companies etc. would always be more interested in making new stuff. I'm quite sure that us people who have more than a passing interest in TV history are looked at as weirdos by others (F##k I cop alot of flack from my mates lol) Its all we can do to be optimistic (what did K-9 have to say on that subject) and patient, you never know. Heres hoping the good work being done in Africa turns up some long lost TV classic.
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Post by Ewan Montague on Jun 27, 2011 16:05:11 GMT
Finding owners of early domestic video recorders is always going to be a needle in a haystack approach. It is always worth casting the net or looking at publications for enthusiasts from the 60s and 70s but I doubt very much there will be records existing of who purchased these machines any more so than any other electrical appliance. I would love to be wrong on that but there it is! Hopefully more missing material will turn up from domestic recording in the course of time. I would assume many would probably have been ordered so there would be a record of and if they took out a warranty there'd be a record of that as well. They tended to break down a bit in the early days so there would be records of repairs etc. It would have to be done like this, Which chains and stores sold the machines, who were the managers and owners of those stores, do they have any records or recollections of who bought the machines. Since there were so few VTRs arround it would tend to stick in the mind as it would have been a big purchase at the time. Needle in a haystack yes but if we can make that haystack a little bit smaller.
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Post by Rob Moss on Jun 27, 2011 16:18:51 GMT
Finding owners of early domestic video recorders is always going to be a needle in a haystack approach. It is always worth casting the net or looking at publications for enthusiasts from the 60s and 70s but I doubt very much there will be records existing of who purchased these machines any more so than any other electrical appliance. I would love to be wrong on that but there it is! Hopefully more missing material will turn up from domestic recording in the course of time. I would assume many would probably have been ordered so there would be a record of and if they took out a warranty there'd be a record of that as well. They tended to break down a bit in the early days so there would be records of repairs etc. It would have to be done like this, Which chains and stores sold the machines, who were the managers and owners of those stores, do they have any records or recollections of who bought the machines. Since there were so few VTRs arround it would tend to stick in the mind as it would have been a big purchase at the time. Needle in a haystack yes but if we can make that haystack a little bit smaller. But a) the data Protection Act still applies and b) IT WAS FORTY YEARS AGO!!
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jun 27, 2011 19:29:45 GMT
Even if that assumption were true, why do you think that a major electrical company, that produces millions of different items each year, would keep details of warranties after the initial 12 months? What good would it do them in 2011 to keep details of items they sold in 1969 when the people that they refer to will have either moved or have since died?
I don't think you even have a needle, let alone a haystack. ;D
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Post by Ross Mann on Jun 28, 2011 2:11:07 GMT
Hi all, Dont know if its even worth looking into who bought these old players/recorders, ive seen quite a few examples in the same places ive seen the old tapes, some may work most probably dont. Even if you could have them repaired how much would it cost? I took a VCR into a repair shop years back and the guy told me to throw it away, as even if he could get the part it needed it would be cheaper to just buy a new one!!
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Post by Ewan Montague on Jun 28, 2011 15:23:17 GMT
Even if that assumption were true, why do you think that a major electrical company, that produces millions of different items each year, would keep details of warranties after the initial 12 months? What good would it do them in 2011 to keep details of items they sold in 1969 when the people that they refer to will have either moved or have since died? I don't think you even have a needle, let alone a haystack. ;D an imaginary needle? that would be difficult to find ;D that or a straw in an enormous stack of needles. perhaps one of the sony employees would take a backhander? we could possibly hold a seance?
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Post by Ross Mann on Jun 28, 2011 21:03:50 GMT
Even if that assumption were true, why do you think that a major electrical company, that produces millions of different items each year, would keep details of warranties after the initial 12 months? What good would it do them in 2011 to keep details of items they sold in 1969 when the people that they refer to will have either moved or have since died? I don't think you even have a needle, let alone a haystack. ;D an imaginary needle? that would be difficult to find ;D that or a straw in an enormous stack of needles. perhaps one of the sony employees would take a backhander? we could possible hold a seance? Lmfao ;D
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Post by Ash Stewart on Jun 29, 2011 11:26:05 GMT
Well, theres always the possibility of an off-air domestic recording If Steptoe and Son was being recorded off-air in 1962...you see where I'm going with this, right? Was Steptoe recorded off-air in 1962? I had it in mind that the copies Galton & Simpson had were copied to a domestic format by someone at the BBC, rather than off-airs. I could be misremembering. (And, of course, assuming that the recordings you refer to are the G&S ones.)
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Post by Joshua Watson on Jun 29, 2011 13:42:17 GMT
All the doctor Who episodes are probably out there in the hands of collectors, and in their hands we will never get them back! They are worth a stinky plops ton of cash (excuse my language) And the BBC wont give them anywhere near what they're worth, so they just keep them and wait until someone offers enough money for them.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 29, 2011 13:53:55 GMT
All the doctor Who episodes are probably out there in the hands of collectors, and in their hands we will never get them back! They are worth a nuts ton of cash (excuse my language) And the BBC wont give them anywhere near what they're worth, so they just keep them and wait until someone offers enough money for them. I'm not so sure The junking started a long time ago, before things like home video started taking off. Another issue is that there are no rumours. Unless 100+ episodes are in the hands of one, extremely secretive and tight-lipped, collector I find it difficult to believe that word wouldn't have got out.
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Post by Anthony Clark on Jun 29, 2011 20:36:22 GMT
All the doctor Who episodes are probably out there in the hands of collectors, and in their hands we will never get them back! They are worth a nuts ton of cash (excuse my language) And the BBC wont give them anywhere near what they're worth, so they just keep them and wait until someone offers enough money for them. Blimey! Do you really think so!!!
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Post by Ronnie McDevitt on Jun 29, 2011 20:52:30 GMT
josh 1994 wrote: "All the doctor Who episodes are probably out there in the hands of collectors" I refer you to the title of this thread because if you are naive enough to believe that you really are being silly!
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Post by Simon Smith on Jun 30, 2011 7:48:14 GMT
Realistically, how many missing episodes do you think still exist "out there"(whether it be collectors or uncatalogued tv stations)?
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Post by John Wall on Jun 30, 2011 8:11:32 GMT
Realistically, how many missing episodes do you think still exist "out there"(whether it be collectors or uncatalogued tv stations)? I'm not sure anybody could answer that. At the risk of seeming flippant I'd suggest somewhere between 0 and 106. The number of overseas archives to be checked is steadily reducing which means that that substantial finds of the type that happened in the past are less and less likely. There have been some completely oddball finds, such as The Lion or the two Masterplan episodes, for which nobody really knows how they got there.
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