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Post by pnewman on Dec 2, 2011 22:03:37 GMT
Hi Paul,
Appreciate the feedback regarding the searches carried out by all the team. Obviously it’s gutting to hear, especially after all the hard work and dedication from all of you over the recent years. What a shame, still any recovery is an achievement. I hope you guys have a few more leads before the line is finally drawn....
Many thanks
Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Dec 2, 2011 22:55:05 GMT
Paul Does the extended repeat on bbc4 on Thursday of Sky At night feature any more of the recovered 1963 ep than this Sunday shows? Hi Leighton, I'm afraid I've no idea what they're going to do in the show. I'm working in London on 'Stargazing Live 2' and slightly out of the picture. I suspect there will be more though. Paul
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Dec 2, 2011 23:03:29 GMT
Out of interest Paul, are there many archives left in Africa to search now this late in the game? Well, that's difficult to say. I think some people think the search is entirely related to trying to find DW. The Guardian article was interesting, as the writer had my contact details, but never bothered to actually contact me and ask any questions. The comment about Doctor Who, Africa and the rather bizarre catch all term "eccentric" probably came from the current producer of 'The Sky at Night' when I told her the film had been posted to me. In fact the location it was found in isn't really a big secret, nor the person that found it as you all know because you know how to read. There are still a few other places we'd like to visit, but in reality I don't hold out much hope for finding anything else. Regards, Paul
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Post by Greg H on Dec 3, 2011 17:52:52 GMT
Such is life mate. Even if nothing has come to light from this search I am sure there are lots of people who are greatful for you making the effort. Pity we didnt get a bunch of season 5 but thats life.
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Post by Ross Mann on Dec 4, 2011 0:15:52 GMT
Oh What a shame! Thankyou for the update Paul.
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 6, 2011 3:09:18 GMT
Well, it is a shame that no new eps have been found. I always wondered if the Gene Roddenberry estate had the eps hidden, because the missing mirror the Star Trek run. Maybe the eps will show up in Hollywood, the Faroe Islands, Egypt, South America or in some film collection of missmarked tins. I say animate, the stills still exist along with the soundtracks so a professional animation of the eps will do and if any new videos show up all the better.
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Post by Leighton Haberfield on Dec 6, 2011 18:45:49 GMT
Chances are the next returned ep will come from a private collector 2 miles from the BBC archives office. The further we look, the closer the missing eps are, we just dont know! Problem is, the collectors that have them usually don`t know they are missing either!!
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 7, 2011 3:52:04 GMT
Chances are the next returned ep will come from a private collector 2 miles from the BBC archives office. The further we look, the closer the missing eps are, we just dont know! Problem is, the collectors that have them usually don`t know they are missing either!! That was definitely true about Grenville in New Zealand. He had The Lion and he didn't know it was a lost episode. What was very disturbing about the whole situation is that other film collectors were telling Grenville that he shouldn't return the episode. I certainly hope missing prints don't fall into the hands of people with that type of attitude.
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Post by Anthony Clark on Dec 7, 2011 18:35:03 GMT
Well, it is a shame that no new eps have been found. I always wondered if the Gene Roddenberry estate had the eps hidden, because the missing mirror the Star Trek run. Maybe the eps will show up in Hollywood, the Faroe Islands, Egypt, South America or in some film collection of missmarked tins. I say animate, the stills still exist along with the soundtracks so a professional animation of the eps will do and if any new videos show up all the better. Roddenbury?! Sorry... confused. Why would he have a missing Who?
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Post by John F Brayshaw on Dec 7, 2011 23:15:24 GMT
Roddenbury?! Sorry... confused. Why would he have a missing Who? Well, Gene would be able to have had the resouces, clout and somewhat of a reason to get his hands on some of the eps. Just on the fact alone he would possibly wanted to see what others were doing. He was a sci-fi TV producer fully aware of the show's existance and the only way an American in the mid to late 60's to see the eps was to either get the originals or film versions. So I don't think it would not be impossible for someone like him in Hollywood to have some of the eps in their collections, and just forgot they had them.
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Post by George D on Dec 8, 2011 20:15:01 GMT
I appreciate all the work Paul has done to try to find some more episodes. He and his team have done a through job looking for episodes.The only thing that I cant think about is what would we have found if we looked there in the 1980s. I guess we'll never know. My question is, has anyone followed up on the macra terror episodes that were allegedly in a school in australia? Much as I wish there was anything else to add, I'm afraid there isn't. Pretty much everything in most of the places we looked had been destroyed by the end of the 1980's. One or two things survived, 'The Sky at Night' in error, and its a miracle we got it back. I do hope people are going to tune in this Sunday evening. Paul
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Post by Greg H on Dec 9, 2011 18:07:38 GMT
That was definitely true about Grenville in New Zealand. He had The Lion and he didn't know it was a lost episode. What was very disturbing about the whole situation is that other film collectors were telling Grenville that he shouldn't return the episode. I certainly hope missing prints don't fall into the hands of people with that type of attitude. I find it exceptionaly likely that this has already happened a few times. not everyone likes to share their toys like we do.
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 10, 2011 2:43:11 GMT
I appreciate all the work Paul has done to try to find some more episodes. He and his team have done a through job looking for episodes.The only thing that I cant think about is what would we have found if we looked there in the 1980s. I guess we'll never know. I have thought about that possibility for years. When the BBC first started its own archive in about 1977-1978, was there still Hartnell and Troughton material at those other stations? Did the BBC contact them at that time, or did they wait until the missing episodes became more public knowledge in the early and mid 80s? It is good that there is a search going, but sadly, I think it is too late to recover any more Doctor Who episodes from those other archives.
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Post by B Thomas on Dec 10, 2011 3:15:56 GMT
I appreciate all the work Paul has done to try to find some more episodes. He and his team have done a through job looking for episodes.The only thing that I cant think about is what would we have found if we looked there in the 1980s. I guess we'll never know. I have thought about that possibility for years. When the BBC first started its own archive in about 1977-1978, was there still Hartnell and Troughton material at those other stations? Did the BBC contact them at that time, or did they wait until the missing episodes became more public knowledge in the early and mid 80s? It is good that there is a search going, but sadly, I think it is too late to recover any more Doctor Who episodes from those other archives. It's well-documented that they did indeed contact overseas broadcasters at the time. That's how Paul Vanezis was able to procure the extant eps of The Reign of Terror from Cyprus. Also Sue Malden mentioned contacting overseas stations in interviews, didn't she?
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Post by John Andersen on Dec 10, 2011 15:40:50 GMT
I appreciate all the work Paul has done to try to find some more episodes. He and his team have done a through job looking for episodes.The only thing that I cant think about is what would we have found if we looked there in the 1980s. I guess we'll never know. I have thought about that possibility for years. When the BBC first started its own archive in about 1977-1978, was there still Hartnell and Troughton material at those other stations? Did the BBC contact them at that time, or did they wait until the missing episodes became more public knowledge in the early and mid 80s? It is good that there is a search going, but sadly, I think it is too late to recover any more Doctor Who episodes from those other archives. It's well-documented that they did indeed contact overseas broadcasters at the time. That's how Paul Vanezis was able to procure the extant eps of The Reign of Terror from Cyprus. Also Sue Malden mentioned contacting overseas stations in interviews, didn't she? Perhaps the BBC contacted the overseas stations on more than one occasion when the archive was first formed in the 70s. I also remember a Doctor Who magazine from 1984 updating us on the search for lost episodes sometime after the first three episodes of The Reign of Terror had been found. The magazine stated that they had recently contacted all other stations that had brought Doctor Who in the past, and they were currently waiting for any news as to what was in those overseas archives. Nothing else came back, but they had to contact at least some stations at that time to get back those Reign of Terror episodes.
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