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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 13, 2008 15:36:07 GMT
Guys,
Not visual material, but I have now located an off-air SOUND recording of 'A Stripe for Frazer' from 1969. It's complete apart from part of the closing titles and even has the continuity. It has been transferred although I have yet to hear it. The tape also has several other programmes on which are also missing. Details later.
It is a line recording although quality is still variable with a level change in the middle. Nevertheless, still better than nothing. This will be going back to the BBC archive.
Regards,
Paul
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Post by Koen Br on Nov 13, 2008 17:35:14 GMT
Woow, that's good!
Admittedly not as important as it could have been if we hadn't had a radio recording, but still a major recovery as far as I'm concerned!
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Post by Rich Cornock on Nov 13, 2008 17:57:48 GMT
can you give details of the recovery?
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Post by Steve Riley on Nov 13, 2008 21:16:19 GMT
Something like this is always good news, as it proves that there's stuff still out there ....
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Post by Paul Ryan on Nov 13, 2008 23:39:11 GMT
Awesome news Paul! My fiance's uncle (who's the biggest Dad's Army fan I know) will be very happy!
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 14, 2008 0:37:11 GMT
Further Information.
Many of you will remember that I came into contact with an enthusiast who recorded many radio and TV shows on quarter inch tape (from 1967 onwards,) back in 2006. Although we did an initial trawl of this material, it was not thorough. He is a busy person and so am I.
Andrew Pixley has I know made use of some of his recordings, but there has been no definitive analysis of the collection which is extensive.
I decided to ask for specific known missing material in the hope that other material may come to light. The first thing I asked about were the three missing 'Dad's Army' episodes. Although only 'A Stripe for Frazer' was in the collection it does differ in many ways from the radio version. But significantly, there is much missing material on the same tape. Details to follow, but include an edition of TOTP, 'Decidedly Dusty' (1st ep) featuring Spike Milligan, Not In Front of the Children, Scott on Leisure, an episode of 'Points of View' etc... etc...
Only 2 tapes have been transferred so far, but each contains 8 hours of material. The tapes are consecutive and some cover just a couple of days, others cover a week. Bear in mind that he started recording in 1967 and the two tapes from September 1969 we have looked at are #81 & #88 respectively.
Regards,
Paul
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Post by Koen Br on Nov 14, 2008 1:21:25 GMT
That sounds like an incredibly interesting recovery project!
What's the sound quality like? Speed must be pretty low at eight hours per tape, unless we're talking 10" spools, which may well be the case. Someone who was dedicated enough to make line recordings could well have used some really good equipment. One of those x36 machines from Revox. Or their A77, brand new in '67... Right, I'll be dreaming of tape recorders for the rest of the night!
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 14, 2008 10:55:17 GMT
Hi Koen.
The sound quality is variable - from listenable to excellent. Recordings are at 3.75 ips, on 7.5" reels up to 2400' in length. 4 (mono) tracks at 2 hours per track (on 2400') gives 8 hours. TV sound is better, because it's from a VHF or UHF source whereas the radio is medium wave and long wave.
Tape #81 is from September 1969, tape #88 is from October 1969. There is a thread elsewhere about this material which includes complete recordings of the second series of The Frost Report, which is missing.
I've arrange to make a physical examination of the tapes over the Christmas holiday and I'm liaising with the BBC film library and the sound archive regarding holdings.
Regards,
Paul
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Post by Peter Stirling on Nov 14, 2008 12:00:53 GMT
TV 405 VHF sound is AM so it did indeed sometimes sound like a medium wave radio transmission. IE rather distant and hissy. That of course was when the taxis/police etc were not breaking into it when they went passed your house . At the time when you first heard FM sound on UHF it was crystal clear and stunning.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2008 12:58:28 GMT
I've arrange to make a physical examination of the tapes over the Christmas holiday and I'm liaising with the BBC film library and the sound archive regarding holdings. Regards, Paul That sounds like an interesting Christmas holiday project for you, Paul! Keep us posted on all this? I'm keen to know what else the collection holds. Sounds like he archived TV fairly meticulously and systematically (by the month) too! |
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Post by Kev Mulrenan on Nov 14, 2008 14:07:46 GMT
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Post by Greg H on Nov 14, 2008 17:16:33 GMT
Great work Paul! Well done  |
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Post by Paul Vanezis on Nov 14, 2008 17:24:13 GMT
TV 405 VHF sound is AM so it did indeed sometimes sound like a medium wave radio transmission. IE rather distant and hissy. That of course was when the taxis/police etc were not breaking into it when they went passed your house . At the time when you first heard FM sound on UHF it was crystal clear and stunning. In the case of one of the surviving 'Dad's Army' recordings from the other tape which I have heard, I suspect the sound came from UHF. It is really very high quality compared to radio programmes on the same tape. I think BBC1 began colour transmissions in October 1969 so that would account for that. However, the 405 line recordings I've seen of 'Auntie Maud' and 'The Phone' sounded great apart from an easily removeable tv whistle. Cheers, Paul |
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Post by Joe Haynes on Nov 15, 2008 12:08:19 GMT
Whats the chances of getting to transfer all the Tapes?
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Post by Colin Anderton on Nov 15, 2008 17:11:06 GMT
Did he record any news coverage? I live in hope that one day we may find the BBC Apollo coverage.
Colin.
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