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Post by Rich Cornock on Nov 28, 2008 18:36:36 GMT
Best people to approach with missing material are Dick Fiddy (via the BFI) or Chris Perry (Kaleidoscope). You can at least be sure the material will be safe and get back to the archives through them. can you put the contact details (email addresses )of these people up on this forum so that people can contact them if they have any missing tv. are these people also interested in missing radio?
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Post by cperry on Nov 28, 2008 21:03:50 GMT
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 4, 2008 0:20:01 GMT
There is a report on the Whispers From Walmington forum that as well as the audio track from 'A Stripe For Frazer' being recovered, that also the 1968 Dad's Army insert from 'Christmas Night With The Stars' has been found in audio form and returned to the BBC. Can anyone please confirm this? See the fourth post here: whispersfromwalmington.myfastforum.org/about359.html
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Post by garrettgilchrist on Dec 4, 2008 1:08:36 GMT
To the poster who asked, yes, audio recordings of missing Do Not Adjust Your Set and At Last the 1948 Show episodes have certainly turned up in the past. I personally only own a few 1948 Show recordings but supposedly, every episode exists as audio somewhere. Most or all the Bonzo Dog Band performances from Do Not Adjust Your Set were recorded as audio and exist as bootlegs, which are floating around.
I would be very interested in the 1948 Show/Do Not Adjust Your Set recordings on this set. I am the video (and occasionally audio) archivist for Neil Innes' official website so anything Do Not Adjust Your Set would be a good addition to the archive.
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Post by Paul Ryan on Dec 4, 2008 2:24:31 GMT
To the poster who asked, yes, audio recordings of missing Do Not Adjust Your Set and At Last the 1948 Show episodes have certainly turned up in the past. I personally only own a few 1948 Show recordings but supposedly, every episode exists as audio somewhere. Most or all the Bonzo Dog Band performances from Do Not Adjust Your Set were recorded as audio and exist as bootlegs, which are floating around. Thanks for that info!
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Post by garrettgilchrist on Dec 4, 2008 3:22:22 GMT
It's been a long time since I sought any out, and what copies I have are pre-digital cassettes in storage somewhere! And none were full episodes. About 10 years back I made a website about the show (long before any of the episodes were on DVD) and at that time my best information was that the episodes had survived as audio.
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Post by Paul Ryan on Dec 4, 2008 6:55:35 GMT
It'd be nice to see a special DVD release of At Last The 1948 Show, with the surviving audios and episodes cleaned up. The picture quality on the current DVD release is pretty tough to watch, though its understandable as to why.
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Post by garrettgilchrist on Dec 4, 2008 6:57:30 GMT
That's a terrible release if you ask me, since the people who put it together clearly didn't know there were more episodes surviving than what they put on the set.
Actually there are no true "episodes" on the set at all, since those are all compilations.
One of the compilations is VERY similar to what the original episode was, so for a Missing Believed Wiped TV program, it was reedited slightly to reinstate one sketch, basically recreating the episode properly.
But there are about 2 and a half full episodes that aren't on that DVD release and have been circulating in fandom for a long time.
The Do Not Adjust Your Set compilation was a bit disappointing in that it only included series 1 episodes, and not any from series 2 - though I understand that one, since it's a rights issue. It does result in the sadness of Terry Gilliam being credited on the cover when he didn't contribute to series 1. There are two series 2 episodes circulating in fandom - Do Not Adjust Your Stocking and Beautiful Zelda, which amazingly still exists as pristine videotape (though fan copies are far from pristine of course). Terry Gilliam's animations from that period still survive as well.
I'm not sure if any series 2 episodes exist beyond that. Do Not Adjust Your Stocking was shown on TV about a decade ago and in that showing, David Jason was edited out of the programme entirely -- at his request. Very odd. Both versions have been circulating in fandom for years.
(While I'm at it, the Graham Chapman projects Out of the Trees and Jake's Journey need a DVD release of some kind, somehow. But this seems unlikely. There aren't copies circulating in fandom.)
Eric Idle's mid-70s radio show, Radio 5, which was a precursor to Rutland Weekend Television, has been successfully bootlegged, possibly in its entirety.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2008 12:25:57 GMT
It's been a long time since I sought any out, and what copies I have are pre-digital cassettes in storage somewhere! And none were full episodes. About 10 years back I made a website about the show (long before any of the episodes were on DVD) and at that time my best information was that the episodes had survived as audio. All the 1948 Show episodes exist in very clear quality direct audio, recorded off-air by a ISIRTA fan (as outlined in Dick Fiddy's Missing Believed Wiped book). The BFI has used these as the scaffolding to rebuild the visual parts of the episodes and in some cases these audios are far superior in quality to the sound on the filmed telerecordings of the episodes. Agreed, the 1948 Show was a poor effort but I found DNAYS to be all right (all the existing Rediffusion episodes in pretty good quality, after all - even though it missed the few Thames ones). and I live in hope that full restored and Vidfired versions will come out one day. Still, i'm glad there's SOMETHING out. I'm interested that you administer the Neil Innes site. Do you happen to know the source of the (very) poor quality colour video copy of Mr.Apollo from Colour Me Pop that is circulating (as the BBC only have two songs from the programme and this isn't one of them!) It gives me hope that the whole show is out there somewhere...
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Post by Peter Elliott on Dec 4, 2008 16:15:42 GMT
Though I welcomed the release of those 1948 and DNAYS DVD's they were an object lesson in how NOT to release archive TV material. DNAYS was wonderful but marred by the silly claims of Terry Gilliam animation when his episodes were not on there, plus of course the claim it featured every existing episode. Despite that little gripe, that was a great little set and I hugely enjoyed watching them.
I can't say the same for the 1948 show material. Using the Swedish compilations and passing them off as the original UK shows was not clever and worse still, the quality of the prints used were diabolical and probably the very worst quality archive TV DVD I've ever seen to the degree I've still not been able to watch it all. Terrible pictures and sounds are forgiveable to a point but this were extremely poor and in desperate need of some repair work. It was a bad move by David Frost to have the original tapes wiped leaving us with t/r's of variable quality. In fact I've never seen anything from that show that looks or sounds at all good. A shame.
And yes, I too am very curious to know where that "Mr Apollo" clip came from and how that managed to survive. The whole show is out there in audio form which a listen to makes one wish the visuals did as well. There was a site somewhere a few years ago that detailed that show in minute form and gave the impression the author of the piece had access to parts of the lost visual material but was written in such a confusing manner it was impossible to deduce just what he/she was on about.
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Post by Joe Haynes on Dec 4, 2008 17:54:07 GMT
To the poster who asked, yes, audio recordings of missing Do Not Adjust Your Set and At Last the 1948 Show episodes have certainly turned up in the past. I personally only own a few 1948 Show recordings but supposedly, every episode exists as audio somewhere. Most or all the Bonzo Dog Band performances from Do Not Adjust Your Set were recorded as audio and exist as bootlegs, which are floating around. I would be very interested in the 1948 Show/Do Not Adjust Your Set recordings on this set. I am the video (and occasionally audio) archivist for Neil Innes' official website so anything Do Not Adjust Your Set would be a good addition to the archive. Wow thats cool. I video taped an interview with Neil Last year and he came across as a very nice guy. Although he did steal one of my jokes!
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Post by garrettgilchrist on Dec 4, 2008 22:13:09 GMT
Laurence Piper - are these 1948 Show audio recordings out there in fandom at all? Could they be acquired? I've never come across bootlegs of full episode recordings, just semi-officially released excerpts.
Neil Innes is indeed a very nice guy. His site is run by Bonnie and Laurie and I helped them with visual/video material when they started it as a fansite in 97 or so. I keep a large archive of Neil Innes material on DVD and help them out from time to time (with graphic design sometimes also). One collection I did was a 2 DVD edit called "The Bonzo Dog Band: Talking Pictures" which is floating out there online for those who look. The lost Colour Me Pop special, and the audio from that, was an inspiration for part of the edit.
>> There was a site somewhere a few years ago that detailed that show in minute form and gave the impression the author of the piece had access to parts of the lost visual material but was written in such a confusing manner it was impossible to deduce just what he/she was on about.
Not sure I've seen that -- unless you're referring to the Some of the Corpses are Amusing page on the special, which transcribes the special but doesn't guess at the visuals of the piece.
>> And yes, I too am very curious to know where that "Mr Apollo" clip came from and how that managed to survive.
There's actually two different versions of "Mr. Apollo" out there, both of which I used in my edit. I don't believe that anything more exists from the special other than that but I'd love to be proved wrong.
The main one is a very poorly made telerecording in colour - someone is pointing a camera at a TV set. Oddly I get the feeling the camera is a video camera, which would suggest that the recording wasn't done at the time. At any rate it's very poor quality and there are big dropouts all over it.
I've never seen a better quality version of this, or a version from any official source. But it's possible that a full quality version of Mr. Apollo exists somewhere in some archive (or did 15 years ago), and someone just pointed a camera at it.
The other version, and this is less well known, is a black and white version of the same material, with less dropouts. This version doesn't appear to be a telerecording - there's no overscan or strobing. It's low quality, but appears to be a proper line recording from the actual video. Very low quality, but again has less dropouts.
This suggests that Mr. Apollo might exist or existed in full quality somewhere. These recordings were made with primitive equipment over a decade ago.
If there was more than Mr. Apollo existing, it probably would have turned up by now, but who knows.
Of course, Canyons of Your Mind and Urban Spaceman exist in full quality and are superb (saved on an engineer's tape), making the full content of the special very tantalizing.
If you look at the full tape of those clips, a caption pops up at the end for a couple of frames, a handwritten caption reading "Four/Three Poems," introducing the next segment. It ends there though.
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Post by mandysamuels on Feb 2, 2009 18:15:28 GMT
Just after christmas someone posted a video on youtube of the opening credits for the the missing Dad's Army Episode: A Stripe For Frazer. They told me that they had been given an old film with this episode on it and that it was the complete episode, but was obviously in poor condition. I told them not to try cleaning it themselves as they could damage it, but they should pass it on to the BBC as they would be able to do a professional job. I cannot confirm that this is genuine as I've only got his word, but the video clip looked genuine enough. He said that he would do what I said, and has since removed the clip from youtube. I just hope it is not a false hope.
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Post by Ant Harvison - WIPED NEWS on Feb 2, 2009 19:26:32 GMT
Seems a bit strange that this person would bother putting titles up, which can be faked easily enough with video editing packages, and then not put on even a few seconds of the actual (and still until otherwise proven) missing footage, which can't be faked.
Everything about this spells h.o.a.x but if it's genuine and the person really has sent it to the BBC we should be hearing about it soon enough.
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Post by Andy Howells on Feb 2, 2009 21:40:50 GMT
Also seems odd that its apparently an episode that had its soundtrack rediscovered just before Christmas, I hope it's genuine, but we'll just have to see...
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