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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 21, 2008 21:24:52 GMT
Hello Again, Interesting ideas about format transfers, may leave hope for the Macra tapes.This is a quote from the second issue of Nothing At The End of The Lane: "Another notable example occurred in early 1977 when the BBC2 Lively Arts documentary Whose Doctor Who was in production.DWAS president, Jan Vincent-Rudski was assisting with the preparation for the program, and as a result of this,producer Tony Cash allowed Rudski to borrow a 16mm film print of The Zarbi ( Web Planet episode 2 ).Desperate to try and retain a copy of the episode before it had to be returned to the BBC the following day.Rudski's DWAS colleague, Stephen Payne, used his 8mm camera to film the projected 16mm image. These individual reels were then edited together and married with a separate audio recording made from the episode.Ian Levine duly found a company in Brighton who were able to put the dubbed 8mm/16mm footage onto Phillips N1500 Cassette" Showing that it is indeed possible for a 16mm or 8mm film print to make its way onto N1500, or other early video formats. Cheers, Lance. God, that must have looked AWFUL... Reminds me of the infamous 'flickervision" camera copies we used to watch in the US in the 80s. Blech!!
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Post by Greg H on Aug 21, 2008 22:44:24 GMT
well, I hope I have to eat my hat on youtube, as indeed I shall. But I doubt I will have to sadly
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Post by John Andersen on Aug 21, 2008 22:47:19 GMT
well, I hope I have to eat my hat on youtube, as indeed I shall. But I doubt I will have to sadly If your hat is that tasty, you can eat it anyway. There is no point in depriving yourself. ;D
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 22, 2008 1:18:57 GMT
nahh.. I worked with a guy who had Umatic tapes with films he dubbed onto (Laural and hardy) 8 and 16 mm .. looked great.. he did this in the early 70's too. Ok ok the company was fixing and making Organs. and later around this time started to repair and refurbish Projection equipment. so they had some skills with film.. but the vids looked great. no where near as good a real transfer but perfectly watchable and if any Dr who's came back this way I would be very happy with the quality. This guy also had rooms of Umatics and at random I pulled one out at random and transfered it to dvd (via a hardware AV-DV converter then to 9100 Bitrate DVD via Procoder.) It was a 1976-7 Parkinson Recoded from the ABC.. he had cut all the intro tiltes and cut the caption roller off (which was a shame AS i was looking for continuity. all his tapes were recoded in this fashon.. Paranoid about have ABC Idents voice overs on tape. the whole leagal thing on taping) the quality from a tape that had not been run for 31 years was astonishing. pin sharp image and crisp clean sound (with no noise!) very nice color saturation... in all it looked like a 2nd or 3rd gen tape from the 2 inch. !!
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 22, 2008 1:29:46 GMT
nahh.. I worked with a guy who had Umatic tapes with films he dubbed onto (Laural and hardy) 8 and 16 mm .. looked great.. he did this in the early 70's too. Ok ok the company was fixing and making Organs. and later around this time started to repair and refurbish Projection equipment. so they had some skills with film.. but the vids looked great. no where near as good a real transfer but perfectly watchable and if any Dr who's came back this way I would be very happy with the quality. This guy also had rooms of Umatics and at random I pulled one out at random and transfered it to dvd (via a hardware AV-DV converter then to 9100 Bitrate DVD via Procoder.) It was a 1976-7 Parkinson Recoded from the ABC.. he had cut all the intro tiltes and cut the caption roller off (which was a shame AS i was looking for continuity. all his tapes were recoded in this fashon.. Paranoid about have ABC Idents voice overs on tape. the whole leagal thing on taping) the quality from a tape that had not been run for 31 years was astonishing. pin sharp image and crisp clean sound (with no noise!) very nice color saturation... in all it looked like a 2nd or 3rd gen tape from the 2 inch. !! I don't think you're talking about the same thing... I think what Lance was saying was that they took the 16mm print, projected it, filmed it off the screen with a super 8 film camera, and then had the super8 film transferred to Video...
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 22, 2008 5:28:39 GMT
yep just re-read.. that would have looked kinda s**t.. and the zarbi!! what devotion i must say.
There were super8 Reduction prints at conventions years ago.. remember seeing some in sydney mid-to-late 80's, Sellers tying to flog em off as some kind of BBC Viewing print. I can remember seeing about 10 or so of these.. and remember one appeared on ebay some years ago and one recently.. But the impression I have is someone "IN" the BBC made the 8mm prints from the 16mm ones to Sell.. this would have to have been early 80's. so in the space of less than 10 years there was a "friendly Face" at ents or something. and as little as 8 years eriler you would have to "roll your own!"
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Post by Ash Stewart on Aug 22, 2008 11:26:04 GMT
There were super8 Reduction prints at conventions years ago.. remember seeing some in sydney mid-to-late 80's, Sellers tying to flog em off as some kind of BBC Viewing print. I can remember seeing about 10 or so of these.. and remember one appeared on ebay some years ago and one recently.. But the impression I have is someone "IN" the BBC made the 8mm prints from the 16mm ones to Sell.. Your impression is correct.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Aug 22, 2008 14:25:23 GMT
The super 8 prints were professionally done (professionally meaning done by a real film lab, not done legitimately by the BBC) and look quite good... At the same time they did some 16mm prints... It appears that either they "borrowed" a negative and struck from that, or that they made a dupe neg from a positive . The prints are straight positives (struck from a neg), not reversals (struck from a positive)...
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