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Post by Neil Lambess on Aug 17, 2008 3:48:32 GMT
I also just noticed that i have exactly the same number of posts as Dave Hall on here and Ive actually found a missing episode!
as people seem to be assessing peoples credibility based upon the number of posts they have made on this forum I've come to the sad realization that I clearly have no credibility at all , and that the recovery of the Lion in 1999 was in fact a complete hoax and the episode doesn't exist at all , youve all been duped ;D perhaps i don't exist either......
oh look Rod Serling has just arrived in my room and is delivering a monologue to camera!
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 17, 2008 6:38:47 GMT
look, guys.. i was NOT in any way meaning to blame the original poster at all.. (even though, in hindsight it looks that way),, over the last few hoaxes I've seen a weird pattern. of people joining up here within hours of those listings. and then going on about how "real" it must be.. It's happened before. thats all. and indeed I thank Dave Hall for pointing it out.. My comments were meant to "tongue in cheek" I thought we were "open" enough to see the humor from it.. and ummm i forgot the smiley face at the end !!
and Neil cool down man .. take a breather.. I want to thank you for your finds, And it's great that someone who has Actually "found one" is here.. and are you located down under?.. Im looking for someone in Brizzie to get some TV guides from Library Microfiche from 74-77 ( I believe this May turn up something) but no one seems to care.. 20 years eh.. so u must have seen though this instantly then!.. Ive been on the trail since 83. since i read "the goon show companion" which listed missing goons shows (published 1977) and then in late 83 the "20 years" mag book thing.. haven't found any who's yet.. but turned up a few Missing goon shows for the beeb.. plus rafts of aussie stuff no one seems to care about. just put the finishing touches on a 16 inch "home cut" disc from an Live ABC bdcast from 1948. told the ABC they don't care. Neither does the National Film and Sound Archive. its just one of about 30 odd discs i rescued and transferred recently. Radio shows, Opening's of important Buildings, Royalty vising down under,live music shows etc etc.. most sound like they were recorded yesterday. and the worst one clean up reather well with my own desighned restoration gear But does any Aussie Archive want em? Nope. So yeah I'm a bit of a cynic this week. After spending loads of time carefully piecing these discs back together and spending years negotiating so i could Transfer them. I sometimes which we had a BFI down under.. they would want em..
look I really hope they are real.. but why the hell did he take em off ebay?.. that's just madness
but i've gotta feeling that someone is "playing us" again..
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Post by Greg H on Aug 17, 2008 10:52:21 GMT
Maybe someone put in a private offer? And will probably get blank tapes for their troubles
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Post by retro on Aug 17, 2008 11:53:12 GMT
Neil - I agree with the format transfer, that's why I said it yesterday!
Ade - sorry to hear about your troubles. That really sucks. Maybe you should start making copies and flogging them? Bet they'd care then!! haha.
gh - I put in a private offer days ago and he ignored it, didn't get a reply. He then got back to me saying he was removing the auction until he can verify the tape contents. I repeated that I was interested in it there and then, and again have heard nothing.
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Post by Bobby Clark (synthpopalooza) on Aug 17, 2008 22:22:30 GMT
So, thinking about this tape, what is the likelihood of The Macra Terror getting on there? I guess, as the seller says he has old reel VTRs, it is possible someone could have recorded it on video tape on first transmission, then made a backup in the 70s with an N1500. I guess that's plausible. How else could it have got on there? Copied within the BBC before the tapes were deleted? Incidentally, have any of the original master tapes been found? Do we know what exactly was recorded over any of them? The most likely scenario, if this turns out genuine, is that perhaps someone at the BBC was ordered to junk the episode and made a VT transfer of it before it was binned. I'm thinking this would have likely been in the 70's when the junkings were in full force. No master tapes exist anymore from the 60's. It was common practice to telerecord the episodes to 16 or 35mm film as they were broadcast, and then wipe the tape and use it for taping next week's episode. Then the film would be used to make other copies for overseas sales. Remember that the price of VT in the 60's was outrageous, so it was more economical to wipe and reuse the tape. You'll probably not be seeing those master tapes again. In fact, the earliest existing videotaped Who episode is (I think) Pertwee's "Ambassadors of Death" part 1.
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Post by Phillip Culley on Aug 18, 2008 3:00:09 GMT
I can't help but recall the time when someone listed a couple of DW film reels with labels on purporting to be missing episodes. It turned out he'd bought them as part of a job lot, put them on eBay without checking the films and was quite genuine - he examined the films on request, and found they were something else. It later transpired that the film cans had been labelled by a fan as a joke, and had been sold by his parents after he'd moved out of home. Was that the Mission to the Unknown one, where a film can marked with the episode turned up on eBay a few years back, along with the cut out entry from the L'Officier Programme Guide, only to turn out to be a mock-up of what a missing episode could look like that someone else had made and the eBayer unwittingly put it yup for auction?
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Post by John Andersen on Aug 18, 2008 4:40:35 GMT
Was that the Mission to the Unknown one, where a film can marked with the episode turned up on eBay a few years back, along with the cut out entry from the L'Officier Programme Guide, only to turn out to be a mock-up of what a missing episode could look like that someone else had made and the eBayer unwittingly put it yup for auction?[/quote] That is correct. Some guy used other films and labeled them with Mission to the Unknown and a Marco Polo episode. A family member sold the prints to another person and that person put it up on eBay. That was extremely disappointing.
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Post by John Andersen on Aug 18, 2008 4:48:23 GMT
Maybe someone put in a private offer? And will probably get blank tapes for their troubles When they find that the tapes do not have lost Doctor Who episodes on them, I'm sure that those same tapes will appear on Ebay again. The person that bought the tapes the first time will sell them as blanks in an attempt to get their money back from a Doctor Who fan that is hunting for lost episodes.
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Post by John Andersen on Aug 18, 2008 4:51:15 GMT
I also just noticed that i have exactly the same number of posts as Dave Hall on here and Ive actually found a missing episode! as people seem to be assessing peoples credibility based upon the number of posts they have made on this forum I've come to the sad realization that I clearly have no credibility at all , and that the recovery of the Lion in 1999 was in fact a complete hoax and the episode doesn't exist at all , youve all been duped ;D perhaps i don't exist either...... Neil, haven't you read the rules? You have to recover a minimum of five lost Doctor Who episodes before any credibility is gained around here. ;D
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Post by Greg H on Aug 18, 2008 6:57:22 GMT
So, thinking about this tape, what is the likelihood of The Macra Terror getting on there? I guess, as the seller says he has old reel VTRs, it is possible someone could have recorded it on video tape on first transmission, then made a backup in the 70s with an N1500. I guess that's plausible. How else could it have got on there? Copied within the BBC before the tapes were deleted? Incidentally, have any of the original master tapes been found? Do we know what exactly was recorded over any of them? The most likely scenario, if this turns out genuine, is that perhaps someone at the BBC was ordered to junk the episode and made a VT transfer of it before it was binned. I'm thinking this would have likely been in the 70's when the junkings were in full force. No master tapes exist anymore from the 60's. It was common practice to telerecord the episodes to 16 or 35mm film as they were broadcast, and then wipe the tape and use it for taping next week's episode. Then the film would be used to make other copies for overseas sales. Remember that the price of VT in the 60's was outrageous, so it was more economical to wipe and reuse the tape. You'll probably not be seeing those master tapes again. In fact, the earliest existing videotaped Who episode is (I think) Pertwee's "Ambassadors of Death" part 1. I wonder how well that episode plays these days?
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Aug 18, 2008 10:36:31 GMT
yeh Retro .. Thanks.. Im going to give away free samples on my ade42blogspot thang.. making a podcast now ( used to be a Broadcaster yonks ago). what i think we should be doing is like what we read on those "missing episode essays" that are all over the net (and confuse and for the main part "mislead" people learning about this)
we should be writing a page that lists and has pics and the ebay member details of all these hoaxes.. i mean, you can read of some "pretty lame arse" rumors that happened in the 80's on these "essays" and what's NOT being done is compiling a list of the Current EBay Ones.. if a (dont want to sound derogatory) "newbie" reads this he might be able to shift though the EBay fakes in future with some sound knowledge of whats gone before.. remember none of these "essays" that I've seen list any eBay "find". I for one would like to see such a list.. Has Anyone ever "saved" a Page of these Ebay things? was the current one "saved" before he changed the piccy?
In another life I presented a very Successful "Beatles Bootleg" type Radio show before the Anthology Happened. ( and then Apple/EMI stopped me, I framed the letter to the Broadcasting Authority!) Now us Beatle Boot Traders had a very comprehensive list of who was a Bad Trader, Which Trader had "fake Bootleg CD's with Fake Outtakes. or Outfakes) so we knew who to aviod and which CD's Tapes Lp's to never try to buy..
now with this latest "Fakery" we should make this list Happen.. or some more people will be conned. and thats what i hate.. its like some "Physiological Attack" on those of us who are genuine.. getting us all exited then bringing us right Down..
Any Ideas?
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Post by Ash Stewart on Aug 18, 2008 11:25:23 GMT
You'll probably not be seeing those master tapes again. In fact, the earliest existing videotaped Who episode is (I think) Pertwee's "Ambassadors of Death" part 1. Nah, Space Pirates 2, isn't it...? Edit: sorry, misread your post. Apologies. You were right.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Aug 18, 2008 11:26:50 GMT
I can't help but recall the time when someone listed a couple of DW film reels with labels on purporting to be missing episodes. It turned out he'd bought them as part of a job lot, put them on eBay without checking the films and was quite genuine - he examined the films on request, and found they were something else. It later transpired that the film cans had been labelled by a fan as a joke, and had been sold by his parents after he'd moved out of home. Was that the Mission to the Unknown one, where a film can marked with the episode turned up on eBay a few years back, along with the cut out entry from the L'Officier Programme Guide, only to turn out to be a mock-up of what a missing episode could look like that someone else had made and the eBayer unwittingly put it yup for auction? That's the one, Mr C. It's an example where, although the media did not contain what it purported to, the seller put something up in good faith with no intent to hoax at all.
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Post by Ash Stewart on Aug 18, 2008 11:35:18 GMT
yeh Retro .. Thanks.. Im going to give away free samples on my ade42blogspot thang.. making a podcast now ( used to be a Broadcaster yonks ago). what i think we should be doing is like what we read on those "missing episode essays" that are all over the net (and confuse and for the main part "mislead" people learning about this) we should be writing a page that lists and has pics and the ebay member details of all these hoaxes.. i mean, you can read of some "pretty lame arse" rumors that happened in the 80's on these "essays" and what's NOT being done is compiling a list of the Current EBay Ones.. if a (dont want to sound derogatory) "newbie" reads this he might be able to shift though the EBay fakes in future with some sound knowledge of whats gone before.. remember none of these "essays" that I've seen list any eBay "find". I for one would like to see such a list.. Has Anyone ever "saved" a Page of these Ebay things? was the current one "saved" before he changed the piccy? In another life I presented a very Successful "Beatles Bootleg" type Radio show before the Anthology Happened. ( and then Apple/EMI stopped me, I framed the letter to the Broadcasting Authority!) Now us Beatle Boot Traders had a very comprehensive list of who was a Bad Trader, Which Trader had "fake Bootleg CD's with Fake Outtakes. or Outfakes) so we knew who to aviod and which CD's Tapes Lp's to never try to buy.. now with this latest "Fakery" we should make this list Happen.. or some more people will be conned. and thats what i hate.. its like some "Physiological Attack" on those of us who are genuine.. getting us all exited then bringing us right Down.. Any Ideas? That's a very good idea, actually. I've certainly got few of the old pages or pictures saved, though. I've got the pictures of a fake quad that was up a couple of years ago, but I think that may be it.
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Post by LanceM on Aug 21, 2008 18:20:31 GMT
Hello Again,
Interesting ideas about format transfers, may leave hope for the Macra tapes.This is a quote from the second issue of Nothing At The End of The Lane:
"Another notable example occurred in early 1977 when the BBC2 Lively Arts documentary Whose Doctor Who was in production.DWAS president, Jan Vincent-Rudski was assisting with the preparation for the program, and as a result of this,producer Tony Cash allowed Rudski to borrow a 16mm film print of The Zarbi ( Web Planet episode 2 ).Desperate to try and retain a copy of the episode before it had to be returned to the BBC the following day.Rudski's DWAS colleague, Stephen Payne, used his 8mm camera to film the projected 16mm image. These individual reels were then edited together and married with a separate audio recording made from the episode.Ian Levine duly found a company in Brighton who were able to put the dubbed 8mm/16mm footage onto Phillips N1500 Cassette"
Showing that it is indeed possible for a 16mm or 8mm film print to make its way onto N1500, or other early video formats.
Cheers, Lance.
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