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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 7, 2008 8:58:50 GMT
i think the best option would be that that the person who discovered or returned a missing episode should get a royalty percentage of any future dvd sales. that way the bbc doesnt have to stump up any money up front and the person finding it gets a financial reward. Well said. As long as the percentage is a good reflection of the 'contribution'. For example 1 part returned of a 4 parter, obviously gets a higher percentage than 1 part returned of a 6 or a 7 parter.
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Post by Greg H on Jul 7, 2008 10:03:10 GMT
Its hardly likely though is it. The BBC would never agree to something like that. They might quietly and unofficially make a one off payment on the quiet, but a percentage of sales...? I seriously doubt it.
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 7, 2008 10:10:50 GMT
Its hardly likely though is it. The BBC would never agree to something like that. They might quietly and unofficially make a one off payment on the quiet, but a percentage of sales...? I seriously doubt it. I hardly think that a quiet payment is a possibility either given that it would be pretty difficult to 'hide' in the account book.
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Post by Greg H on Jul 7, 2008 12:39:13 GMT
I dont think its impossible. The BBC would have nothing to hide really. It wouldnt be an illegal thing to do. They might hypothetically just choose not to inform anyone about it if they had to buy back 16mm prints from private collectors. Its not something you would shout from the roof tops and it would possibly discourage people from simply giving things back out of altruism. I can percieve this as a possibility, im not claiming that I have proof that this has happened.
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Post by John Andersen on Jul 7, 2008 14:47:22 GMT
OK *if* he has a missing episode and is after what he can get out of it then he should contact Ian Levine who I believe is offering a not-to-be-sniffed-at cash sum. Ian will return the episode to the BBC. Refusing this offer is outright selfishness. Isn't Ian offering 2,000 pounds for each episode returned to him?
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 7, 2008 15:36:44 GMT
OK *if* he has a missing episode and is after what he can get out of it then he should contact Ian Levine who I believe is offering a not-to-be-sniffed-at cash sum. Ian will return the episode to the BBC. Refusing this offer is outright selfishness. Isn't Ian offering 2,000 pounds for each episode returned to him? I believe he is, however going from memory, The Lion sold for a lot more than that even after it had been loaned to the bbc for duplication.
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jul 7, 2008 15:40:34 GMT
Isn't Ian offering 2,000 pounds for each episode returned to him? I believe he is, however going from memory, The Lion sold for a lot more than that even after it had been loaned to the bbc for duplication. I don't think that is correct. It sold first at auction in New Zealand for about $US 750. It was then listed on ebay and I believe sold for $US 1250. It certainly didn't sell for anything like £2000 ($4000).
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 7, 2008 16:25:53 GMT
It was then listed on ebay and I believe sold for $US 1250. Indeed! When it sold in January 2000, it made only the equivilent of £810. I thought Ian's offer was £1000 though, not £2000. Richard
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 7, 2008 17:22:51 GMT
I thought Ian's offer was £2000, I didn't want to be the one to say it though in case I was wrong.
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Post by JOHN SMITH on Jul 7, 2008 17:56:21 GMT
When the Blue Peter dalek appeal went out. It was cited that the cost of production was approx 2000 EP. I have seen a post somewhere that stated that Ian along with others that he knew would together chip in to the tune of 2000 EP if the finder of an episode didn't want a life sized dalek.
BTW I must say that the price of a 'probably last in the world' 16mm Dr Who print is incredibly low (even before it is even thought of being handed back to the bbc as with 'The Lion' print.
Important American comics from the 60's usually sell for many multiples of this even when there are known to be many of them in existence. (And I happen to know that Ian himself has spent many multiples of this amount on single issues. Admittedly not from the 60's, but nevertheless of which still other copies exist) And yet the fanbase of Dr Who is far higher than the monthly sale of any American comic title.
Guess the price would change dramatically though if someone were offering every part of a previously 'lost' story. The final part or parts required to make ANY story now complete. Or a story of great importance such as TP4 or POTD 1.
As for the very start of this post, it's apparent like 99.99999 percent of every other rumour, that it is simply a load of BS.
Such people only need to upload from an internet cafe (in order to preserve their anonymity) a one frame 'screen shot' of their or their friend's or whatever else's 'supposed missing episode' so that people can see it is a 'still' not known of anywhere else in the world (promotional material or the Cura snaps etc) in order to be believed. And let's face it, a 1 frame screenshot is hardly going to decrease the value of their possession is it?
No screenshot = BS
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Post by William Martin on Jul 7, 2008 18:32:11 GMT
If only it was a simple as money I get the feeling that hoarders are quite rich to able to have afforded the episodes anyway and money doesn't really interest them, I think it's more the fact that they have a unique something that makes them special and to give it away even as a copy would mean loosing that special feeling and also control of that thing, I just realised I'm describing Golem from Lord of the Rings, perhaps that is a close match
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Post by al on Jul 8, 2008 0:46:30 GMT
speople. My friend might well be talking BS except the circumstances indicate to me that there is something in this. I would be foolish not to attempt to follow it up. There may well be a misunderstanding or exaggeration somewhere along the line. Just now I simply don't know.
Yes, if I personally had anything, then the very first thing I would do is post a screen shot, even if it is of a rusty tin. With what I am learning from this thread to have done such a thing would have been putting the cart before the horse though.
So:
I don't know anyone who wants a Dalek life size or otherwise. I don't know anyone who would part with such a possible find for £2000 (the price of a good holiday/a month's wages etc.) I don't think the original hoarder/enthusiast would see those as anything like a good swap. Do you?
In particular, I don't know anyone who (anymore) feels that the British Broadcasting Corporation deserves to be handed on a plate something which could be worth an awful lot of money - rewarding their total and utter incompetence and lack of vision.
As a spotty teenager I used to record episodes of the Radio top twenty religiously. I wouldn't dream of "junking" a single tape. How could "Auntie Beeb" do what she did to my (our) beloved Dr Who? And if there is the slightest chance that someone has a 'missing episode' the BBC want now to be rewarded for it's incompetence!!!
I must be ranting because I have reused the word incompetence.
Which brings me back to the original question "Why declare a missing episode?"
It's starting to get a bit cyclical isn't it . . . . . although in between the cycles there is some realisation.
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Post by B Thomas on Jul 8, 2008 1:27:29 GMT
20 years ago it was changed!?! well i don't think is was down under. we used to get copyright warinings on premiere movies on TV prime time less that 15 years ago. Ermmm... really? Whereabouts "down under" are you, Ade? I've been taping movies off the telly for the last 20-odd years and have never seen any such 'copyright warning' here in New Zealand...
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Post by Steven Sigel on Jul 8, 2008 1:47:50 GMT
I think the most obvious argument against "hoarders" having missing episodes is the fact that there are very few 16mm prints of Dr. Who in private collections at all.
I only know of two collections that have more than 5 episodes, and about a dozen other collectors who have a few prints each. And most of those prints are either a) dupe prints of the half dozen shows that were "borrowed" from the BBC in the 1980s, or extra prints from Ian Levine's collection when it was sold. I'm sure there are some others out there, but the point is that even prints of existing episodes are very rare.
Also - it's very hard to keep something like this a secret -- For instance, When Evil of the Daleks and Faceless Ones were found, word got out pretty quickly.
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Post by Paul Ryan on Jul 8, 2008 1:50:38 GMT
I don't know anyone who wants a Dalek life size or otherwise. I don't know anyone who would part with such a possible find for £2000 (the price of a good holiday/a month's wages etc.) I don't think the original hoarder/enthusiast would see those as anything like a good swap. Do you? In particular, I don't know anyone who (anymore) feels that the British Broadcasting Corporation deserves to be handed on a plate something which could be worth an awful lot of money - rewarding their total and utter incompetence and lack of vision. As a spotty teenager I used to record episodes of the Radio top twenty religiously. I wouldn't dream of "junking" a single tape. How could "Auntie Beeb" do what she did to my (our) beloved Dr Who? And if there is the slightest chance that someone has a 'missing episode' the BBC want now to be rewarded for it's incompetence!!!
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