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Post by Greg H on Jul 6, 2008 10:38:54 GMT
If someone wanted to cut the BBC out of it, why not just release it on bittorrent? The fans would get to see it and the BBC wouldnt make a ha'penny.
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Post by Daniel O'Brien on Jul 6, 2008 10:39:38 GMT
As fro profitable. When Tomb was released on video, sales were well above 100000 in just a short time, that is a lot of sales, and a lot of profit. 'Tomb' was a complete returned story, featuring a famous monster. Most recovered episodes do not have these selling points. I've no idea how much profit 'Tomb' generated as a VHS release, but I still don't think we're talking millions. If DVD releases of 1960s stories were so profitable, surely the part-animated 'The Invasion' would have been followed by 'The Tenth Planet' and 'The Ice Warriors'. To date, this hasn't happened and the reason cited is cost.
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Post by William Martin on Jul 6, 2008 10:57:29 GMT
If someone wanted to cut the BBC out of it, why not just release it on bittorrent? The fans would get to see it and the BBC wouldnt make a ha'penny. I think it's more a question of possesion, if they released it to the wider world it wouldn't be theirs anymore, they would loose it. Think of it in terms of a car, you wouldn't leave it in the street with the keys and let anybody use it, and besides if you did share this missing material someone else may return it and take the credit for it's descovery or even sell it and make money, your money. I think that it's probably the way at least some of these people feel.
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Post by Rich Cornock on Jul 6, 2008 11:48:55 GMT
i think the best option would be that that the person who discovered or returned a missing episode should get a royalty percentage of any future dvd sales. that way the bbc doesnt have to stump up any money up front and the person finding it gets a financial reward.
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Post by Greg H on Jul 6, 2008 13:31:26 GMT
If someone wanted to cut the BBC out of it, why not just release it on bittorrent? The fans would get to see it and the BBC wouldnt make a ha'penny. I think it's more a question of possesion, if they released it to the wider world it wouldn't be theirs anymore, they would loose it. Think of it in terms of a car, you wouldn't leave it in the street with the keys and let anybody use it, and besides if you did share this missing material someone else may return it and take the credit for it's descovery or even sell it and make money, your money. I think that it's probably the way at least some of these people feel. Yeah, I quite understand the mentality of hoarders. Its a pity people have to be like that with material that the world would enjoy, regardless of mistakes that BBC management made some 30+ years ago
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 6, 2008 14:36:51 GMT
I agree with Rich on this one, the BBC should pay a percentage of profit to the finder, if there are missing eps in private collections I'm sure that would bring them out into the open. Whether any Who exists is a moot point but we know for definite that a couple of dozen TOTP exist. Having said that, DMP4 is a special case as this one wasn't junked but either mislaid or, if it does still survive I would say more likely stolen. Therefore the person who has it in their possession is guilty of the criminal offence of handling stolen goods.
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Jul 6, 2008 15:12:13 GMT
DMP 4 ?!?! exists what da f .. if you read the original post .. its the Old Old ill informed story that "nick courtney had seen invasion 1 so he says allegedly at a US convention" bla blah blahhhh he later said that he was mistaken. saying that he was saying anything to get rid of some pesky American fans giving them the YES treatment. ... so there we are as far as DMP4 goes.. I bet it was in the room that that guy cleaned up when he found DMP2 and he junked it hahahhahah ..
1 how many Pos prints were made from each Ents Neg? 2. is there ANY concrete evidence that ANY were junked? sent on? stolen?. where is the paperwork. It's all bloody 3rd rate provincial touring company's production of "the missing Watergate tapes" meets the JFK evidence conspiracy VS area 51 . here.. 3. the person who started this thread did so to see what complete train spotters we all are and by default has won. congrats sir. you are my better. (bows head in shame)
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 6, 2008 15:22:17 GMT
I didn't say I believe they exist and I think if you re-read my posts on this thread then there is a healthy scepticism about them. All I said was that *if* someone has DMP4 then they are committing a criminal act.
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Post by al on Jul 6, 2008 15:22:44 GMT
To ade42:
Don't be ridiculous. I have made everything quite clear. I know what 'complete train spotters' you all are and to an extent include myself in your ranks.
My posts to this forum are genuine. I have found the discussion interesting and useful especially some of the links to other forums and threads.
So anyway, I take it that most of this forum, if they came across a missing episode, would hand it straight over to the BBC. Just like that.
Sweet.
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Jul 6, 2008 15:46:37 GMT
so what you are saying johnf is that just by having a old shabby bbc type unwanted (oh yes forgot the fans) print that you are comitting a criminal act. yes you are . that is law. but to any level headed rational thinking "normal" . person thats a load of poop.. and just by uttering these words in public could get yourself called certin things. have you ever taped anything from the telle. or copied a LP to cassete.? well YOU sir are a criminal and i *DEMAND* you take yourself down to the local nic this minuet.
and about the healthy belif they exist? . yeh if you read a load of 20 YO DWB's. those style of picking an epp and then creating a myth of a mate of a mate type thing that paul lee's thing goes in to detail about is fine. but remember take it ALL with a grain of salt. do you remember the TP4 rumors? the tape that was found than found blank. we all saw that coming. out of all the epps that could exist why not TP4 it has the same "romance" of never beeing retured after Blue peter choped it up.
and to al. no mate not you. your the only "real one" here mate. hope you find some awnsers. I hope asking your question got a few laughs (it did here mate) you must remember that some of the fans of missing who are just one step away from it being some kind of religion. and i'm not saying that's a bad thing at all. reading some of the posts here is like going onto a religious forum where everyone is some kind of expert and trully belivs all he had read and blidly quotes verbatim slabs of text he read on this forum 3 years ago like if he was there at the event of whatever the thing he read said even tough most must not have been even born. . and im one of the most religious whosers !!!!!
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Post by Richard Bignell on Jul 6, 2008 15:57:13 GMT
have you ever taped anything from the telle. ...well YOU sir are a criminal and i *DEMAND* you take yourself down to the local nic this minuet. Errr, no you're not! In the UK the copyright law was changed 20 years ago to cover this. Richard
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 6, 2008 16:11:36 GMT
I think it's quite clear what point I was making. Although the copyright belongs to the BBC, the owner of the film is the legitimate owner of that particular medium, as was pointed out when "The Lion" was returned. If DMP4 exists then it is a different matter though because then it would have been stolen from the BBC and it is this that makes possession of that reel a criminal act. More like buying a knock-off VCR from a bloke down the pub than taping something off the TV.
It was a myth that Blue Peter ever held TP4 by the way, they only ever had the regeneration sequence. "Tenth Planet" was still being sold by Ents the following year so at the time a TR was still held by Ents.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2008 20:47:49 GMT
Whether any Who exists is a moot point but we know for definite that a couple of dozen TOTP exist. Do we? I've never seen any evidence of specific editions. Do you know which ones? I'm sure there are some TOTP out there, no doubt, but up till now only some clips have surfaced (and the odd complete edition or two being a rarity).
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Post by Adrian Gregg on Jul 7, 2008 4:08:33 GMT
20 years ago it was changed!?! well i don't think is was down under. we used to get copyright warinings on premiere movies on TV prime time less that 15 years ago.
JohnF ahhhhh i now see your point. and i agree with you... I have a few 50-70's BBC TS discs. now I supose by law the beeb owns them. but as i've had em years, stumbeled upon them in a junk shop years ago. they are mine i paied for them. I had always wanted to have a bbc TS disc so they are some of my prised posessions. So i totaly agree with possesion is 9 10ths of the law.
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Post by John Fleming on Jul 7, 2008 8:54:32 GMT
This is o/t on a Who forum but as Lawrence asked, the following TOTP are known to exist in the notorious Private Video Library 04/10/73 B/W 31/01/74 16/08/74 13/09/74 26/09/74 21/11/74 30/01/75 06/02/75 03/04/75 17/04/75 12/06/75 19/06/75 26/06/75 02/12/76 16/12/76 03/03/77 31/03/77 04/08/77 08/09/77 www.privatevideolibrary.co.uk/libcat.htmlIn addition, Ian Levine has 19/02/76. There are 20 episodes, not the couple of dozen I quoted, sorry. There are a few more rumoured to exist though.
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