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Post by Stephen Doran on May 9, 2005 13:57:12 GMT
id love a copy of xmas 1969,wonder if he can copy at a price as i like it for sentimental reasons.
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Post by William on May 9, 2005 15:03:37 GMT
at least that chappie with the huge audio collection and the guy with the off air VHS's confirms some do exist.... other thread above elsewhere any idea which they may be?
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Post by Laurence Piper on May 9, 2005 15:09:09 GMT
I'd like to know who creates all these rumours! It's well known that 16/6/66 exists in private hands (as it's path has been tracked in the not-too-distant past) but as far as I know, Xmas '68 (which one are we talking about, by the way? There were two) is missing. There are brief clips from this surviving though, which may indicate that it's out there - or alternatively may just mean that's all there is of this show left! Unless you've seen it yourself, Lance, then it's rumour. I'd love a copy of this edition myself, being the period I recall most of the show...but evidence of it's existence so far has not been proved. I'd love to see it turn up though.
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Post by Laurence Piper on May 9, 2005 15:10:16 GMT
...meant to say Xmas '69 - typing error!
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Post by gary freeman on May 10, 2005 21:37:21 GMT
back to the 66 totp.has anyone actually seen the beatles footage??? i was under the impression that the bbc actually submitted paperback writter for anthology but it was rejected for what ever reason. i'm sorry but i always have my doubts about this episode, i hope im wrong but i think so many of us want it to exist its become a myth. so until a name and a few stills appear i'm a massive doubter.
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Post by John G on May 10, 2005 22:03:33 GMT
ok own up everyone ;D
you all want to see Xmas 69 just to see Rolf weeping as he sings ' two little boys ' ?
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Post by Peter Chadwick on May 10, 2005 23:21:34 GMT
back to the 66 totp.has anyone actually seen the beatles footage??? i was under the impression that the bbc actually submitted paperback writter for anthology but it was rejected for what ever reason. i'm sorry but i always have my doubts about this episode, i hope im wrong but i think so many of us want it to exist its become a myth. so until a name and a few stills appear i'm a massive doubter. As far as I am aware, the only stills to come from this appearance are actually from the press call taken during rehearsals. The band are wearing black suits,white shirts and no ties. Behind them is a large circular light display. Both b/w and colour photos exist. In an edition of The Beatles Monthly Book published just before the extended 'Anthology' videos were released, one of the producers said that they were offered copies of both 'Paperback Writer' & 'Rain' from TOTP, but they were 'barely watchable'. And there was no point using them for rarity value when they had the original colour promo films brilliantly restored. I suppose these poor copies might surface eventually, as a lot of the material used during the preparation of 'Anthology' has appeared since on bootleg video and dvd, not least of which is a ten-hour '1st edit', which contains material left out of both the tv and video versions.
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Post by Adam James Smith on May 11, 2005 16:42:16 GMT
more questions: 1)How come the Kinks performance from the 66 edition exists on it's own in collectors circuits? 2) How come the 66 edition (that of all ones!) came to survive anyway? 3) anyone got anymore exact details of the guy who owns it? 4)Is there only one known copy in the world?
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Post by gary freeman on May 14, 2005 10:15:18 GMT
do we file this beatles totp under pure fiction.
from what i have read so far nobody can put a name to who has it ..ok! its in the states, yes, but where???.
its like all those doctor whos that maybe out there, we want it so much we are willing to believe anything.
it dont exist guys...honest.
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Post by Gary on May 14, 2005 10:43:05 GMT
Its impossible to prove something doesnt exist though.Harder than proving something does.It has been reported in many places by respected sources that the show exists in private hands and so we can be reasonably sure that it is one example of lost television that does exist somewhere.Whether we will see it again is another thing.
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Post by John Stewart Miller on May 26, 2005 23:11:23 GMT
This is all very interesting. my answer to the question originally would be that generally collectors have been aware that material in CLIP form only has resurfaced. Some of this initiates from RECORD COLLECTORS Keith Badmans research into what shows abroad used british pop clips. I'm sure Keith was involved in uncovering sources for the original 80s ROCK & ROLL GREATEST TEARS - VHS releases.
I've always felt Keith has taken up at a proffessional level perhaps the alarm felt by Mr average at the apparent gaps for the 60s and 70s gems many of us pined for in the late 70s - 80s period, to find archives depleted. I also think the climate in which rare pop items are swapped for others is building up a great historical legacy for the future. This is definitely one area where the amateurs have taken the lead!
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Post by Laurence Piper on May 27, 2005 15:24:11 GMT
Absolutely agree, John.
I also think Keith Badman is a bit of an unsung hero, finding material personally yet hitting resistance from official sources when it came to returning it. It was his feature in Record Collector a few years ago that related how the path of the 6/66 TOTP had been tracked to a retired ex-BBC employee (living in Cornwall, I believe it was) who eventually sold the print of it, with it then changing hands several times for a price that multiplied with each sale before he lost track of it some time in the '90s! I think we can assume it's out there somewhere.
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Post by Steve Tyler on May 29, 2005 14:42:16 GMT
If the footage mentioned in previous replies exists in private hands may I ask why it has not been returned? Thank you.
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Post by helpful hartley on May 29, 2005 15:20:29 GMT
If the footage mentioned in previous replies exists in private hands may I ask why it has not been returned? Thank you. because it may have been purchased/given by the TV company in the first place, to a performer, AR man , agent whatever . So the owner is not obliged to do anything with it , especially if he paid for it in the first place.
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Post by Steve Tyler on May 29, 2005 17:24:59 GMT
If the footage mentioned in previous replies exists in private hands may I ask why it has not been returned? Thank you. because it may have been purchased/given by the TV company in the first place, to a performer, AR man , agent whatever . So the owner is not obliged to do anything with it , especially if he paid for it in the first place. That's understandable. It's a shame they can't produce a copy for the BBC archives out of the goodness of their heart though.
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