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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 16:58:00 GMT
I'm fairly sure from memory that the first incarnation of the pie chart was on film as the chunks vanished by means of basic animation. The later version (1967 on) was a slide plus live clockface.
The big question for me though remains by how much did each chunk disappear; various internet (and other) recreations have it as being one second bites, which I can say from personal recollection is entirely wrong (and is a great shame as such things eventually become set in stone as "fact") . It was larger chunks less frequently. I would find it amazing though if there wasn't a fragment of this recorded on the beginning / end of a t/r somewhere!
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Post by Stephen Doran on Jan 2, 2009 17:01:22 GMT
Around 1963 or 64 i recall Bach Music?played with the pie chart on screen just before Merry Go Round anyone confirm this?
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Post by lee jones on Jan 2, 2009 22:14:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2009 14:20:26 GMT
Yes, the flash reconstruction of the later pie chart is completely correct. A very nice job was done on it too. It's just the versions of the earlier one that are floating around on the net which are wrong.
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Post by davidh on Jan 3, 2009 14:33:11 GMT
I think the fact that the practice changed at some point (1967?) strongly suggests that the 'animated' pie was on slides rather than film, as otherwise it would have been just as easy to retain the film all the way to 1972/3, which as we know didn't happen. The 1960s was an era (similar to today) where change was often made for the sake of change; for one thing the earlier Abram Games-designed "bat's wings" symbol was originally intended to have been used as the BBC corporate logo for a lot longer than it actually was. And if a 'friend' of a poster on the Digital Spy forum is correct, the animated segments were definitely shown using film, although the static pie chart that was used later in conjunction with the single-handed clock (Autumn Term 1967 to 1973/4?) is very likely to have been a slide as has already been suggested.
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Post by markboulton on Jan 8, 2009 10:53:13 GMT
What I'd be more interested to know is whether a separate transmission control was used for Schools until the introduction of colour in 1973/74, i.e. whether Schools originated in 405-lines since all content (and pres) was in b/w and all source material was still likely to be 405 in origin (not many 625 programmes will have had a chance to be recorded and the vast majority of stuff would have been on film anyway).
Open University used to appear to come from a separate TX suite as there would always be a change of sync (and a marked drop in picture quality) from OU transmissions to 'normal' BBC1/2. You could even see the switch 'to' OU from Testcard F/colour bars to a black screen with 'OU' in white electronic text in the corner. It certainly didn't seem to simply be vision-mixed through standard BBC1/2 TX, but hard-switched like ITV to TV-am.
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Post by paul mitchell on Jan 15, 2009 22:25:53 GMT
I would love to see the boy from space again, as I found that very scary when i was a kid. The old man in the blue space suit was very creepy driving around in an Austin Maxi I think. I also believe that John Woodnut was in that.
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Post by A.Doe on Mar 18, 2009 1:01:51 GMT
OK, here is a proper recreation of that piechart sequence... www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaw9N68cpe0This is as correct as it'll ever get, especially as my PC hard drive is about to die and I can't do any more work on it until I get another PC or acquire all the right software for my Mac. The original film might appear on the net somewhere, sometime. So, now you know, the clock was revealed in 60 pieces. The border also disappears in an interesting fashion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 12:13:02 GMT
So, now you know, the clock was revealed in 60 pieces. The border also disappears in an interesting fashion. Although we've covered this one before, the original pie chart didn't disappear in one second chunks though. I can vouch for that fact from personal, first-hand experience. The pieces vanished far less regularly than that.
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Post by A.Doe on Mar 18, 2009 14:01:47 GMT
Although we've covered this one before, the original pie chart didn't disappear in one second chunks though. I can vouch for that fact from personal, first-hand experience. Well, I'd honestly like to think that there is in fact another, even earlier version, where the parts of the piechart disappear in larger chunks, just so that you know your memory isn't failing you and we still have something to look forward to. Trust me, unless somebody has gone out of their way to hand-animate the sequence on 35mm film, dirty it up, tear it, repair it, insert it into a compilation of genuine BBC footage (minus the last 10 seconds) and transfer it to VHS in order to show it to people, then this recreation is as shown in the original film which I have seen. I have no idea on the actual date the film was made / shown so it is still possible that there was an earlier version, which you remember. This is certainly earlier than 1967 though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 17:13:17 GMT
Very interesting. If what you say is true though, it's means there are at least three variations on the pie chart (rather than two), as this has a number of differences to the disappearing version I recall myself (e.g. the single markers on the clockface, rather than double and also the ident fading out!) I note the "BBCtv" ident rather than just "BBC" too - maybe this is significant? I'm not sure when the ident was amended. The version I remember must presumably have been a Mk.2, prior to the 1967 modification (which was more drastic), as I would have personally been watching this between about 1963 / 64 and 1967.
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Post by Dave Hall on Mar 28, 2009 20:24:03 GMT
Seen theese on ebay(yep ebay) would theese be of interest to anyone here?
100 PHILIPS N1500/ N1700 Video Tape Cassettes: 1970s From a School
Ebay Item number: 230332674727
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Post by Stephen Doran on Mar 29, 2009 9:13:47 GMT
Hi Dave theres a few on ebay now ranging from 10 -25 quid schools programmes my world ,how we used to live,german programme etc
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Post by Rich Cornock on Mar 29, 2009 11:17:48 GMT
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Post by Stephen Doran on Mar 29, 2009 12:25:50 GMT
Rich,marygrain is the seller apparently the VHS tapes shes selling are the real thing i never knew they were ever released all ITV i was hoping shed have Television Club.
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