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Post by scotttelfer on Jul 25, 2018 13:40:02 GMT
If Phil were found to be sitting on episode 5 of "Revenge of the Garggleblasters" and did not return it the fan response to him would be nasty. If I was him and I had found a few orphan episode's I return them and let the BBC decide how to distribute it or take the heat for not distributing it But I think we need to make a realistic appraisal of what the attitude of BBC Worldwide is likely to be, in the situation I outlined, bearing in mind that they are a commercial organisation, and so will not release material if it is unlikely to show a profit. Animation is expensive, and we can't reasonably expect that a DVD release would return even a small profit to them if they have to animate 5 episodes, in order to release one recovered filmed episode to DVD. But if, on the other hand, they had 5 recovered episodes and so only had to animate one episode to complete a serial, that will cost them only one-fifth of what animating 5 episodes would cost: then the prospect of the project returning a profit seems much more likely. To look at it from their point of view, do Worldwide really want to encourage Phil to turn over some random lone episode to the BBC? As soon as it passes into the hands of BBC Archives, a number of BBC staff are going to be aware of that and the news is then likely to quickly leak out. Whereas it won't leak out if that film print stays in Phil's custody. So my expectation is that is an understanding that the Beeb have already reached with him. Realistically, we are kidding ourselves if we expect that the next release is going to be some solo episode. The costs are too great to make that sort of release economically viable. Our best hope is that if he finds a lone episode it's from a partially complete serial: there's a big difference between finding one episode of 'Marco Polo' and finding one episode of 'Reign of Terror', since that is the diff between having to meet the cost of animating 6 episodes and having to animate none (since that cost has already been met in the case of the latter).
Just to make sure you are aware, if there's five missing episodes and you get it down to one missing episode, that doesn't make it a fifth of the price to animate. You are reusing a lot of assets across the episodes so it ends up cheaper in bulk. Still more expensive than animating a single episode, but it is cheaper for them to do five episodes from one serial than five single episodes from all over the place.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 25, 2018 16:00:43 GMT
If Phil were found to be sitting on episode 5 of "Revenge of the Garggleblasters" and did not return it the fan response to him would be nasty. If I was him and I had found a few orphan episode's I return them and let the BBC decide how to distribute it or take the heat for not distributing it But I think we need to make a realistic appraisal of what the attitude of BBC Worldwide is likely to be, in the situation I outlined, bearing in mind that they are a commercial organisation, and so will not release material if it is unlikely to show a profit. Animation is expensive, and we can't reasonably expect that a DVD release would return even a small profit to them if they have to animate 5 episodes, in order to release one recovered filmed episode to DVD. But if, on the other hand, they had 5 recovered episodes and so only had to animate one episode to complete a serial, that will cost them only one-fifth of what animating 5 episodes would cost: then the prospect of the project returning a profit seems much more likely. To look at it from their point of view, do Worldwide really want to encourage Phil to turn over some random lone episode to the BBC? As soon as it passes into the hands of BBC Archives, a number of BBC staff are going to be aware of that and the news is then likely to quickly leak out. Whereas it won't leak out if that film print stays in Phil's custody. So my expectation is that is an understanding that the Beeb have already reached with him. Realistically, we are kidding ourselves if we expect that the next release is going to be some solo episode. The costs are too great to make that sort of release economically viable. Our best hope is that if he finds a lone episode it's from a partially complete serial: there's a big difference between finding one episode of 'Marco Polo' and finding one episode of 'Reign of Terror', since that is the diff between having to meet the cost of animating 6 episodes and having to animate none (since that cost has already been met in the case of the latter). Personally, I think that if a lot of orphan episodes are recovered, it's more likely that the BBC would release a Lost in Time volume 2. They wouldn't have to pay money to animate while also not looking super cheap and lazy (like they did with the Underwater Menace release). From what I've heard, the Lost in Time set has sold well, and looking at Amazon's best seller ranking, it seems roughly in the middle of 60s Doctor Who, so it's obviously a profitable concept. If, say, Phil Morris found 2 episodes of Marco Polo, 1 episode of the Daleks' Master Plan, 1 episode of the Myth Makers, 1 episode of The Smugglers, 2 episodes of The Space Pirates, 2 episodes of Fury from the Deep, 1 episodes of the Abominable Snowmen, and 1 episodes of the Macra Terror, none of those would recover enough episodes to warrant a dvd release of their story, but it would also be 11 unreleased episodes. A second Lost in Time would make perfect sense. I'd be totally fine with that, myself. I'd have access to the new orphans, and Loose Cannon is probably better than any reconstruction the BBC would make. Everybody wins.
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 25, 2018 23:39:05 GMT
Well Wheel in Space is available to order on Amazon Prime in the USA so that's at least 4 more animated episodes coming sooner or later
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Post by davechasteen on Jul 26, 2018 0:48:02 GMT
...or the Britbox reconstructions are being packaged for a Region 1 only release. I can't honestly see that being a big money maker, though, as the Loose Cannon recons are free and much better realized.
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Post by ianphillips on Jul 26, 2018 5:00:06 GMT
...or the Britbox reconstructions are being packaged for a Region 1 only release. I can't honestly see that being a big money maker, though, as the Loose Cannon recons are free and much better realized. Yes, the fact that it’s only region 1 makes me think it isn’t an official animation from the BBC. It wouldn’t make sense in any case because the Wheel in Space is, relatively, one of the most likely stories to see returns given its association with Enemy and Web, so unless Phil Morris has positively confirmed to the BBC that no episodes of Wheel are coming back, them making an animation would make no sense whatsoever. Why pour a load of time and money into a project that might become obsolete in a few years?
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 26, 2018 5:27:05 GMT
I don't see the BBC releases a recon. If it were a third party seller listing it I might think its a Recon but the fact that its Amazon Prime USA gives me hope they have animated any remaining missing bits
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Post by DavidGreene on Jul 26, 2018 7:48:48 GMT
...or the Britbox reconstructions are being packaged for a Region 1 only release. I can't honestly see that being a big money maker, though, as the Loose Cannon recons are free and much better realized. Yes, the fact that it’s only region 1 makes me think it isn’t an official animation from the BBC. It wouldn’t make sense in any case because the Wheel in Space is, relatively, one of the most likely stories to see returns given its association with Enemy and Web, so unless Phil Morris has positively confirmed to the BBC that no episodes of Wheel are coming back, them making an animation would make no sense whatsoever. Why pour a load of time and money into a project that might become obsolete in a few years? Well this is not the first time this has happened. The Underwater Menace was listed on USA Amazon long before it was ever announced or on Amazon UK's page, like a good long time. Maybe not the best example given what we were given but point being that there being an Amazon page doesn't rule out anything at the moment. Secondly, Wheel would be the most likely serial to be animated for several reasons - It's a Base Under Siege story, which means limited sets, limited actors, which means less that the animation team actually has to create. There was an interview a while back where someone on the animation team pretty much said it would be rather hard to animate The Crusade because of all the different costume changes, which would require them to create those looks each and every time for the animation. So with Wheel, having a small cast in a couple of select locations is ideal for them. And given the two existing episodes they have plenty of reference material to use so they aren't needing to create as much from scratch.
- The existing material is spread out evenly so as not to create an unbalanced release compared to other incomplete stories while still having episodes in it to reduce the amount needed to animate.
- It's a Cyberman story, which gives added marketing boost to it since they are a well known part of the franchise.
Third, and I may be wrong about this but weren't the Cybermen stories less frequently sold and not part of the standard sets they send aboard? And lastly, and this may be optimistic or pessimistic depending on how you view it, but maybe the number of episodes needed to animate this isn't as high 4 but not as low as 0 .
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Post by scotttelfer on Jul 26, 2018 12:03:12 GMT
themindrobber on Twitter has confirmed it's just a physical release of the Brit Box reconstruction, no animation, no recovered episodes, probably no extras either, just a quick way to make money with stuff they already have.
Also confirmed there is another animation in the works, just that it isn't Wheel.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Jul 26, 2018 16:44:34 GMT
themindrobber on Twitter has confirmed it's just a physical release of the Brit Box reconstruction, no animation, no recovered episodes, probably no extras either, just a quick way to make money with stuff they already have. Also confirmed there is another animation in the works, just that it isn't Wheel. Is that an official BBC animation Scott?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 20:12:17 GMT
If the rumour about the SE WOF dvd August release was true (as likely it wasn't), it would have been announced by now, right? Am saying this in light of the fact that there's only a few days of July left now (regrettably - for those of us enjoying the summer).
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Post by kurt devery on Jul 26, 2018 20:37:57 GMT
I did not hear that rumour about the web DVD...as others say believe it when I see it
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Post by Robert Lia on Jul 26, 2018 21:08:06 GMT
Well if its a DVD of a Brit Box Recon I wont be getting it. We just have to wait for the official BBC announcement or wait for a lack of a BBC official announcement.
Keep in mind most people associated in any way with the BBC wont confirm or deny a release until its made to be official. We have seen that enough times in the past.
We just have to wait
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Post by scotttelfer on Jul 26, 2018 22:07:21 GMT
themindrobber on Twitter has confirmed it's just a physical release of the Brit Box reconstruction, no animation, no recovered episodes, probably no extras either, just a quick way to make money with stuff they already have. Also confirmed there is another animation in the works, just that it isn't Wheel. Is that an official BBC animation Scott? Given their source was the animation team I'd hope so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 22:15:47 GMT
I did not hear that rumour about the web DVD...as others say believe it when I see it The rumour seems to originate from this tweet on @doctorwhoonline:
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Post by kurt devery on Jul 26, 2018 22:41:17 GMT
Thanks for that...I fear if it ever happens with no Web 3 then its gone for good 😢
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