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Post by George D on Jun 10, 2018 21:59:00 GMT
I think a lot of people are imagining a lot of things and then assume they are true.
The only thing I know about Phillip Morris is that no one knows what is happening with him and what he has or doesn't have.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jun 10, 2018 23:59:45 GMT
I think it is wrong to say that there would be no reason as to why Phil Morris would be withholding single episodes, just as I don't think his primary motivation is monetary. This is purely speculative, but it could be the case that the withholding of an episode indicates multiple prints of it are in existence - Morris may be trying to withdraw all existing prints from 'circulation' (remember, no stone unturned). Judging from the depth and breath of his operation, he'd be tracking the movement of every print of every serial. Why release an episode that still has other copies (perhaps superior in visual quality, or without censor cuts) floating around? You'd be doing half a job otherwise, whereas I'm convinced Morris is committed to doing the best possible job he can with this.
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Post by John Wall on Jun 11, 2018 11:11:17 GMT
Phil has stated in interviews that he will only return completed stories, or episodes that will complete a story, so that limits this if he has found anything, except the expect the unexpected at any time. We know he found cans when he dug up the desert, although he has not stated what or the condition of the film inside. Also that container load that came into the country a few years ago, a lot could be local programmes, but we have only had a few cans out of that declared so far. It would be a lot of restoration on any large amount of programmes, so it would take a few years. Considering where he’s been looking he’s probably more likely to find complete serials - as Enemy and Web (almost) showed and Snowmen/Wheel might.
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Post by Charles Daniels on Jun 11, 2018 11:36:44 GMT
So we have confirmation that there are films in the hands of private collectors. I feel like I've woken up and something strange has happened without me. Is this in reference to the quote in the Mirror? That Paul Vanezis is quoted saying "There are episodes in the hands of private collectors" (I believe that was the quote) Is that quote accurate? "There are" Not "There could be" or "Assuming that there are" or anything? Anyway, interested to find out what, if anything, is going on.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on Jun 11, 2018 13:41:25 GMT
Not heard the Radio Skaro interview yet Charles?
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 11, 2018 19:58:09 GMT
So we have confirmation that there are films in the hands of private collectors. I feel like I've woken up and something strange has happened without me. Is this in reference to the quote in the Mirror? That Paul Vanezis is quoted saying "There are episodes in the hands of private collectors" (I believe that was the quote) Is that quote accurate? "There are" Not "There could be" or "Assuming that there are" or anything? Anyway, interested to find out what, if anything, is going on. There was an interview with Paul Vanezis about a week ago where he positively confirmed that there were missing episodes in the hands of collectors. What they are or when they might be returned (supposedly not for a while) are completely unknown. I've heard that whatever they are are in very good condition, though. Thread in question is here: missingepisodes.proboards.com/thread/12476/radio-free-skaro-vanezis-southall
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Post by lousingh on Jun 12, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
Let's suppose we "exhaust all the available paths" for the missing episodes.
Stuff still gets into weird places. One of my Dad's friends found that his late grandfather had a highlight reel of the 1936 Olympic Field Hockey Final -- that he never knew his family had and was thought to have been destroyed during Partition (1947) -- sometime during The Great Recession. It's now on YouTube. It's not in great shape but it's far better than nothing.
I still maintain that Embassies and other diplomatic offices of the British government would be good places to check. AFAIK, no one has checked them, as time-consuming as it would undoubtedly be to check. I know a few people who quit the diplomatic corps since 20 January 2017 who told me that stuff like missing episodes would land at the Embassy or some other outpost -- including favourite restaurants, bars, etc.
I have always believed that some of the rumours about what is in private hands were true. Although no one here believes it, I KNOW that the opening minutes of Episode 1 of The Power of the Daleks and a longer version of Katarina's death scene are in private hands because I have seen them. I remember clearly the time I was told that if I thought that every film that the BBC ordered destroyed was actually destroyed, then I am as crazy as the people who ordered their destruction -- why wouldn't these people take some home instead?
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jun 12, 2018 20:25:16 GMT
I have always believed that some of the rumours about what is in private hands were true. Although no one here believes it, I KNOW that the opening minutes of Episode 1 of The Power of the Daleks and a longer version of Katarina's death scene are in private hands because I have seen them. If this is true (and judging from previous posts you've made, this occurred in the late 1980s?), why were both just a few minutes long? Why weren't they complete episodes? What event was this at, and where?
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Post by Philip C Huish on Jun 12, 2018 20:52:00 GMT
I have always believed that some of the rumours about what is in private hands were true. Although no one here believes it, I KNOW that the opening minutes of Episode 1 of The Power of the Daleks and a longer version of Katarina's death scene are in private hands because I have seen them. If this is true (and judging from previous posts you've made, this occurred in the late 1980s?), why were both just a few minutes long? Why weren't they complete episodes? What event was this at, and where?
I couldn't begin to speculate about the PoTD clip but the Katarina death scene could be from the making of the Blue Peter episode. There was a 5 minute section of galaxy 4 taken for a small clip and the same could have happened here and someone walked away with it.
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Post by Luke Sherlaw on Jun 12, 2018 21:23:39 GMT
Would be sensational if Power 1 really was out there in good condition. Pat's first ever minutes being lost in the chasm of time is surely a thorn in any Doctor Who fans side.
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Post by lousingh on Jun 12, 2018 22:54:56 GMT
If this is true (and judging from previous posts you've made, this occurred in the late 1980s?), why were both just a few minutes long? Why weren't they complete episodes? What event was this at, and where?
I couldn't begin to speculate about the PoTD clip but the Katarina death scene could be from the making of the Blue Peter episode. There was a 5 minute section of galaxy 4 taken for a small clip and the same could have happened here and someone walked away with it. Philip's theory makes sense. It started with Kirksen grabbing Katarina; it ends with Katarina and Kirksen in space. It is easy to see the trims coming off of that bit. I first saw Katarina's death in the mid 1980s. (1984, I think.) I remember crying at the end of it. I was a different kind of upset when I saw the Blue Peter extract - when I first saw said extract, I jumped out of my seat and yelled, "where the **** is the rest of that clip?" PoTD was just after the hiatus. As this version contained the opening titles, I would assume that the person has the complete episode. Said person committed a very public gaffe which many of us interpreted (and still interpret) as this group of people have the entire story. I am sending a PM to Paul about how our theory works. I actually have several other leads I have always wanted to follow-up on that I am sending to Paul.
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Post by Chris Wilkinson on Jun 13, 2018 0:13:06 GMT
I couldn't begin to speculate about the PoTD clip but the Katarina death scene could be from the making of the Blue Peter episode. There was a 5 minute section of galaxy 4 taken for a small clip and the same could have happened here and someone walked away with it. Philip's theory makes sense. It started with Kirksen grabbing Katarina; it ends with Katarina and Kirksen in space. It is easy to see the trims coming off of that bit. I first saw Katarina's death in the mid 1980s. (1984, I think.) I remember crying at the end of it. I was a different kind of upset when I saw the Blue Peter extract - when I first saw said extract, I jumped out of my seat and yelled, "where the **** is the rest of that clip?" PoTD was just after the hiatus. As this version contained the opening titles, I would assume that the person has the complete episode. Said person committed a very public gaffe which many of us interpreted (and still interpret) as this group of people have the entire story. I am sending a PM to Paul about how our theory works. I actually have several other leads I have always wanted to follow-up on that I am sending to Paul. Finding out the origin of that excised clip could very well crack open the mystery as to where The Daleks' Master Plan #4 went after it left the Film Library in the 1970s - not just for that episode, but for The Tenth Planet #4 and any others that were used by the Blue Peter team. The Power of the Daleks #1 would certainly be unexpected. Let's hope this leads to something.
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Post by lousingh on Jun 13, 2018 0:35:48 GMT
Philip's theory makes sense. It started with Kirksen grabbing Katarina; it ends with Katarina and Kirksen in space. It is easy to see the trims coming off of that bit. I first saw Katarina's death in the mid 1980s. (1984, I think.) I remember crying at the end of it. I was a different kind of upset when I saw the Blue Peter extract - when I first saw said extract, I jumped out of my seat and yelled, "where the **** is the rest of that clip?" PoTD was just after the hiatus. As this version contained the opening titles, I would assume that the person has the complete episode. Said person committed a very public gaffe which many of us interpreted (and still interpret) as this group of people have the entire story. I am sending a PM to Paul about how our theory works. I actually have several other leads I have always wanted to follow-up on that I am sending to Paul. Finding out the origin of that excised clip could very well crack open the mystery as to where The Daleks' Master Plan #4 went after it left the Film Library in the 1970s - not just for that episode, but for The Tenth Planet #4 and any others that were used by the Blue Peter team. The Power of the Daleks #1 would certainly be unexpected. Let's hope this leads to something.
I just did an info-dump for Paul. I hope it helps. :-) Something just hit me - what else vanished after appearing in Blue Peter? Maybe it's not a coincidence and maybe there are some unchecked alleys for them?
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Post by ianphillips on Jun 13, 2018 1:58:26 GMT
Philip's theory makes sense. It started with Kirksen grabbing Katarina; it ends with Katarina and Kirksen in space. It is easy to see the trims coming off of that bit. I first saw Katarina's death in the mid 1980s. (1984, I think.) I remember crying at the end of it. I was a different kind of upset when I saw the Blue Peter extract - when I first saw said extract, I jumped out of my seat and yelled, "where the **** is the rest of that clip?" PoTD was just after the hiatus. As this version contained the opening titles, I would assume that the person has the complete episode. Said person committed a very public gaffe which many of us interpreted (and still interpret) as this group of people have the entire story. I am sending a PM to Paul about how our theory works. I actually have several other leads I have always wanted to follow-up on that I am sending to Paul. Finding out the origin of that excised clip could very well crack open the mystery as to where The Daleks' Master Plan #4 went after it left the Film Library in the 1970s - not just for that episode, but for The Tenth Planet #4 and any others that were used by the Blue Peter team. The Power of the Daleks #1 would certainly be unexpected. Let's hope this leads to something.
I'm pretty sure that TTP4 and TDMP4 are the only two that vanished while in Blue Peter's care. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.
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Post by Richard Tipple on Jun 13, 2018 12:22:36 GMT
PoTD was just after the hiatus. As this version contained the opening titles, I would assume that the person has the complete episode. Said person committed a very public gaffe which many of us interpreted (and still interpret) as this group of people have the entire story. I am sending a PM to Paul about how our theory works. I actually have several other leads I have always wanted to follow-up on that I am sending to Paul. What was the public gaffe? If what you say is true, and someone reading this does have an episode of Power, I'd like to say 'THANK YOU' for saving it from destruction. Hopefully one day, when the time is right, they'll share it with the rest of us. That'd be amazing. Until then, please have a digital copy somewhere - imagine if the print was destroyed in a fire etc after surviving 50+ years in a private collection.
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