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Post by cjones on Dec 31, 2016 18:24:33 GMT
Over on Gallifrey Base, this rumour is being treated with an extremely large pinch of salt.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 19:07:59 GMT
Over on Gallifrey Base, this rumour is being treated with an extremely large pinch of salt. We all should, but considering how this is from a reputable source we shouldn't dismiss it either. I'll stick to the code I live by with ME's; don't get excited until it's officially announced but always keep an eye out and ALWAYS examine a rumour thoroughly before mindlessly buying into it or dismissing it.
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Post by John Wall on Dec 31, 2016 19:40:45 GMT
Well, he doesn't seem to have "predicted" anything that wasn't already known to an increasing number of people. However, if I was inventing a rumour about missing episodes being returned I'd predict two as they seem to be like Krynoid pods, they trsvel in pairs !
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Post by cjones on Dec 31, 2016 19:41:17 GMT
Hmm. It seems there are two separate sources for the rumour - at least, that's how I read the thread on GB.
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 31, 2016 20:10:52 GMT
Hmm. It seems there are two separate sources for the rumour - at least, that's how I read the thread on GB. Can you please give the quotes just so we can be absolutely clear on what is and isn't being said. It always helps in case something suspicious crops up so we can debunk it or safely continue hoping.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Dec 31, 2016 20:32:04 GMT
Over on Gallifrey Base, this rumour is being treated with an extremely large pinch of salt. We all should, but considering how this is from a reputable source we shouldn't dismiss it either. I'll stick to the code I live by with ME's; don't get excited until it's officially announced but always keep an eye out and ALWAYS examine a rumour thoroughly before mindlessly buying into it or dismissing it. Sounds like complete rubbish to me and whether anything will be announced, hidden, moved back and forth,negotiated,stolen etc unless YOU are actually doing any of the above then it's all completely out of your control.It's like being on a plane and sitting in your seat and desperately willing for it not to crash-the plane is in the hands of someone else.Your fretting has no bearing on the outcome! Listening to Phil Morris's interview last week makes me negate all spurious claims that episodes have been found two by two.There's a trained professional out there who will get the results and we're damned lucky to have him.
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Post by cjones on Dec 31, 2016 20:43:42 GMT
Well, quite. But FWIW:
1) It has been suggested on GB that one of the posters who are currently posting about having had the return confirmed by an unimpeachable source is a well-known hoaxer living in the north of England.
2) The other poster is, as it were, still at large. He has observed that his source does not use the internet, from which we might infer that that source is unlikely to be reheating internet rumours.
YMMV, of course.
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Post by scotttelfer on Dec 31, 2016 20:48:54 GMT
We all should, but considering how this is from a reputable source we shouldn't dismiss it either. I'll stick to the code I live by with ME's; don't get excited until it's officially announced but always keep an eye out and ALWAYS examine a rumour thoroughly before mindlessly buying into it or dismissing it. Sounds like complete rubbish to me and whether anything will be announced, hidden, moved back and forth,negotiated,stolen etc unless YOU are actually doing any of the above then it's all completely out of your control.It's like being on a plane and sitting in your seat and desperately willing for it not to crash-the plane is in the hands of someone else.Your fretting has no bearing on the outcome! Listening to Phil Morris's interview last week makes me negate all spurious claims that episodes have been found two by two.There's a trained professional out there who will get the results and we're damned lucky to have him. If we're talking about two episodes randomly showing up and working their way through the BBC, that's probably got nothing to do with him. It probably is a fake and even if it is an insider in the BBC it's probably fake too and this insider has just been exposed as untrustworthy and is due to be relocated to somewhere else where they will never be able to do anything worthwhile ever again... the Radio 1 Breakfast Show. All the same, these stories normally fall apart on their own account, it doesn't take too much to pull them apart.
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Post by cjones on Dec 31, 2016 20:58:26 GMT
Almost certainly correct.
The only thing that distinguishes the whole affair from the usual type of hoax is that the other poster claiming to have a source joined GB almost eight years ago, and has almost 400 posts to his name. Doesn't sound like sockpuppetry to me - not that not being a sockpuppet automatically establishes credibility.
We'll find out soon enough in the usual way, I'm sure. My Chumbly-o-meter remains stuck at 1 out of 10.
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Post by Henry Jenson on Dec 31, 2016 22:09:43 GMT
Ok, so on GB Evil Johnny has posted an update. Some people seem to be confused so I will go ver what we know. The person has been told by his source that we are getting 2 hartnells. We don't know which ones. The person has also said that his contact dosent realy use the Internet and therefore didn't pick the rumour up online. His contact has accurately predicted the return of web/enemy and
People may get confused with other rumours but this posters contact has only said that 2 have been found.
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Post by cjones on Dec 31, 2016 22:41:29 GMT
Ok, so on GB Evil Johnny has posted an update. Some people seem to be confused so I will go ver what we know. The person has been told by his source that we are getting 2 hartnells. We don't know which ones. The person has also said that his contact dosent realy use the Internet and therefore didn't pick the rumour up online.. That's not quite what he said. He did the same thing that we are doing - inferred that the source hadn't heard the rumour from the internet as he/she doesn't 'do' the internet, as he put it. The source may be repeating a rumour heard from someone else who does go online, though. Tl;dr version: what Jaspal said.
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Post by ianphillips on Dec 31, 2016 23:00:34 GMT
Ok, so on GB Evil Johnny has posted an update. Some people seem to be confused so I will go ver what we know. The person has been told by his source that we are getting 2 hartnells. We don't know which ones. The person has also said that his contact dosent realy use the Internet and therefore didn't pick the rumour up online.. That's not quite what he said. He did the same thing that we are doing - inferred that the source hadn't heard the rumour from the internet as he/she doesn't 'do' the internet, as he put it. The source may be repeating a rumour heard from someone else who does go online, though. Tl;dr version: what Jaspal said. That doesn't change the fact that Evil Johnny has a perfect record. He's succesfully announced two true rumors without announcing any that are false. If his source is just picking up random rumors on the internet then why hasn't Johnny posted a dud before. There have been plenty that went nowhere in the last eight years, many of which had more 'evidence' to them than this one, so either he's gotten really lucky and his source has only passed on two rumors to him and those two rumors happened to be the only two true missing episode rumors in the last eight years, or his source is careful to pass on only rumors that he/she thinks has a very good chance of turning out to be true/knows is true.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Dec 31, 2016 23:05:46 GMT
That's not quite what he said. He did the same thing that we are doing - inferred that the source hadn't heard the rumour from the internet as he/she doesn't 'do' the internet, as he put it. The source may be repeating a rumour heard from someone else who does go online, though. Tl;dr version: what Jaspal said. That doesn't change the fact that Evil Johnny has a perfect record. He's succesfully announced two true rumors without announcing any that are false. If his source is just picking up random rumors on the internet then why hasn't Johnny posted a dud before. There have been plenty that went nowhere in the last eight years, many of which had more 'evidence' to them than this one, so either he's gotten really lucky and his source has only passed on two rumors to him and those two rumors happened to be the only two true missing episode rumors in the last eight years, or his source is careful to pass on only rumors that he/she thinks has a very good chance of turning out to be true/knows is true. Maybe his source is within the BBC or has contacts within the BBC? I can see it's possible to have predicted both as guesses, I'm not sure if he got the Power animation in beofre or after it was posted on YouTube but if it was after that then that's not hard to guess. Then perhaps with Enemy/Web e was lucky with dropping Marco Polo from the equation as that was floating around with those two episodes at the time. But that involves a little two much luck for my liking and I'm not going to change my view that this looks possible but I won't get excited at all until we get word from the Beeb.
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Post by tombeveridge on Dec 31, 2016 23:39:52 GMT
Kal was supposed to be making an announcement of finds on New Year's Eve. Has anything been announced by them? Is our "source" hearing something from that area? Also, Phil Morris in his interview from last week, was quire coy, as usual, about possible finds. Perhaps the source is someone who hears whispers from that direction. Further, we needn't rely on PM. Guy Montagu's two finds were quite independent of him, ISTR. If (very big IF) there is any substance to all this, my bet would be on stories that already have surviving episodes (DMP, G4) instead of those with nothing saved.
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Post by Dylan Heath on Jan 1, 2017 1:06:02 GMT
Kal was supposed to be making an announcement of finds on New Year's Eve. Has anything been announced by them? Is our "source" hearing something from that area? Also, Phil Morris in his interview from last week, was quire coy, as usual, about possible finds. Perhaps the source is someone who hears whispers from that direction. Further, we needn't rely on PM. Guy Montagu's two finds were quite independent of him, ISTR. If (very big IF) there is any substance to all this, my bet would be on stories that already have surviving episodes (DMP, G4) instead of those with nothing saved. Kal already confirmed no Doctor Who episodes were among their recent finds. I think DMP is a poor bet considering there was only one copy made and the only surviving episodes were found on BBC premises which has already been searched by Levine a long time ago. If it's true judging by what the source was saying it's likely to be two from the season 3 four parters that are missing or The Smugglers. Each are about as likely as each other as they each had 3 prints made which had VERY similar journeys, going to the same countries in sequence. 2 prints are confirmed destroyed from each, the other is a Singapore print which while not confirmed is unlikely as I don't think we have ever came across a Singapore print. Possibilities are it could have been a leaked Australian print as there are currently 6 orphan episodes we have back from private collectors which are suspected to be from that batch. They could also be ones left forgotten in a relay station, there absence ignored by the broadcaster and the Beeb due to the ow regard they both had for these prints. However this is all speculation and we have no idea if it is true I'm just saying what I think is most likely and where it might have came from.
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