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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 23, 2015 18:40:58 GMT
That is very true about being sworn to secrecy been there my self. That is why my long time contact at the BBC could not tell me the details until after the release and I fully under stand and respect that. But before the release he did not feed me any false hope he just kept quite about it. So quiet that I was in shock when the official news was released
Now its very true some people notably the ones who can hide under handles and avatars on other forums often spread venom and hatred knowing that no one knows who they really are.
Still I would love to be able to have a chat some time with the people who quoted the "highly placed sources" that turned out to be 100% wrong . But they have gone to ground I guess. . . .
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Oct 24, 2015 16:30:20 GMT
Not sure why you are assuming they arrived back in March/April 2013. Paul Vanezis spoke of inspecting the films once, before they were handed over - and the impression he gave was that was some time before - not the previous week. Phil has also talked about a year or so delay because of the missing episode - see the transcript from September. If he didn't find out about the missing episode until March/April 2013, that doesn't make sense. It's no secret that the news of the Enemy/Web (and by some accounts Wheel) find by Phil in Jos had been circulating among a limited group of people by early 2012 (and late 2011 by some accounts). Not sure why you are trying to retcon this.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 24, 2015 20:06:17 GMT
Not sure why you are assuming they arrived back in March/April 2013. Paul Vanezis spoke of inspecting the films once, before they were handed over - and the impression he gave was that was some time before - not the previous week. Phil has also talked about a year or so delay because of the missing episode - see the transcript from September. If he didn't find out about the missing episode until March/April 2013, that doesn't make sense. It's no secret that the news of the Enemy/Web (and by some accounts Wheel) find by Phil in Jos had been circulating among a limited group of people by early 2012 (and late 2011 by some accounts). Not sure why you are trying to retcon this. Read the article in DWM that was published shortly after the official announcement in October 2013 - it gives quite a lot of dates.
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Post by Nicholas Fitzpatrick on Oct 25, 2015 15:14:14 GMT
I did, and I have a copy of it here - it doesn't say that the episodes were found in late 2012, nor that they were returned to BBC as soon as they were recovered. Not sure why you are suggesting otherwise.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 25, 2015 17:13:54 GMT
I did, and I have a copy of it here - it doesn't say that the episodes were found in late 2012, nor that they were returned to BBC as soon as they were recovered. Not sure why you are suggesting otherwise. You've just got your hands on decades old cans of rare, probably unique, film that is clearly in need of urgent TLC - read the article - and what do you do with it ? (1) You get it to someone like Paul Vanezis asap. (2) You stick it in your sock drawer. Get real !
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 25, 2015 17:57:40 GMT
I did, and I have a copy of it here - it doesn't say that the episodes were found in late 2012, nor that they were returned to BBC as soon as they were recovered. Not sure why you are suggesting otherwise. You've just got your hands on decades old cans of rare, probably unique, film that is clearly in need of urgent TLC - read the article - and what do you do with it ? (1) You get it to someone like Paul Vanezis asap. (2) You stick it in your sock drawer. Get real ! You get it checked. When he then comes to the conclusion that they AREN'T under immediate threat you can then store them until it is safe to return them to the BBC.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 25, 2015 19:00:48 GMT
You've just got your hands on decades old cans of rare, probably unique, film that is clearly in need of urgent TLC - read the article - and what do you do with it ? (1) You get it to someone like Paul Vanezis asap. (2) You stick it in your sock drawer. Get real ! You get it checked. When he then comes to the conclusion that they AREN'T under immediate threat you can then store them until it is safe to return them to the BBC. The DWM article males it clear that they were checked by Paul Vanezis - and there is a mention of a whiff of vinegar. By removing the cans from the storeroom in Nigeria you're immediately changing their environmental conditions - and that's risky. Philip Mprris is in the "business" - and he's a fan who's put himself in some dangerous places tracking things down. He would know exactly what to do - get them to a specialist asap.
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Post by Jaspal Cheema on Oct 25, 2015 19:10:03 GMT
Just the photos of the film cans lying on those dark dusty shelves 1000s of miles away just makes me realise how lucky we were to get those 9 episodes! And all 9 are some of the finest Dr Whos I've ever seen.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 25, 2015 19:26:24 GMT
Just the photos of the film cans lying on those dark dusty shelves 1000s of miles away just makes me realise how lucky we were to get those 9 episodes! And all 9 are some of the finest Dr Whos I've ever seen. Quite right And remember that they were probably in fairly stable conditions - change that......
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 25, 2015 20:12:31 GMT
Well the TV station storage room was probably air conditioned & heated based on the quality he film prints were in when Paul received them to make his review. if they had been sitting in an uncontrolled climate room for 35 years I can imagine the condition then might have been i
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Post by John Wall on Oct 25, 2015 20:41:12 GMT
Well the TV station storage room was probably air conditioned & heated based on the quality he film prints were in when Paul received them to make his review. if they had been sitting in an uncontrolled climate room for 35 years I can imagine the condition then might have been i Not necessarily, just stable. They needed a fair amount of TLC from the DWM article.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 25, 2015 20:58:41 GMT
Fair enough but if you saw the video Paul put on you tube when he first played and examined the prints you will see that they show areas where commercials were spliced in and such but my point was they were obviously in a playable condition. Fascinating process though seeing the film get a bath and such.
Out of curiosity though has any one seen any pictures of the redundant prints of Ambassadors of Death that PM Found that were apparently damaged beyond repair. Also was it ever said where those prints came from as I cant remember off the top of my head
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Post by John Wall on Oct 25, 2015 21:09:05 GMT
Nobody with any sense would have tried to play them until someone like Paul had checked them thoroughly - you don't do things like that with the Dr Who equivalents of the Dead Sea Scrolls !
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 25, 2015 21:50:15 GMT
Not necessarily, if I had found an episode and after checking it and it did not have any obvious vinegar odor or obvious problems to the naked eye it I cant honestly say that if I had a 16mm projector with me that I would not try to play it. I would be eager to see a missing episode and at that point my eagerness would over ride common sense. Fortunately most people including my self don't have a 16mm projector sitting around the house to play that long lost episode of Doctor Who that they found during there vacation to the amazon jungles or where ever.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 25, 2015 22:32:23 GMT
Not necessarily, if I had found an episode and after checking it and it did not have any obvious vinegar odor or obvious problems to the naked eye it I cant honestly say that if I had a 16mm projector with me that I would not try to play it. I would be eager to see a missing episode and at that point my eagerness would over ride common sense. Fortunately most people including my self don't have a 16mm projector sitting around the house to play that long lost episode of Doctor Who that they found during there vacation to the amazon jungles or where ever. Yes, after checking it - and assuming you were appropriately qualified to undertake the checking. Remember that Paul had to repair some splices. Philip Morris had spent many years, probably quite a lot of money and gone to some dangerous locations to recover these prints. He went straight to the best, Paul Vanezis of the highly esteemed Restoration Team I'd hope that any of us would do exactly the same.
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