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Post by R. Williams on Oct 21, 2015 19:59:51 GMT
There's nothing to suggest that Phil returned the films to the BBC as soon as they arrived in the UK. Once he discovered that Web 3 was missing, he set about trying to get hold of it. Take a listen to the audio recordings of Phil's convention appearance www.doctorwhonews.net/2015/09/more-details-about-discovery-and-loss.htmlHere's a transcript of what is said at around the 18 minute mark of the Saturday Panel: Interviewer - "How big a lead time was there between you finding the episodes in Nigeria and announcing it?" Philip Morris - "Ok, no problem. Well you can understand what the delay was about - episode three. These were initially found - and that's me in Jos station locating them - at the end of 2011. A further year went by, we were trying to get hold of three." They were found towards the end of 2011. Case closed.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 21, 2015 20:30:51 GMT
This was speculation out of control. My god we had people saying on "this board" that there "highly placed sources" told them that we had practically every episode being restored and prepared except possibly parts of The Invasion, The Ice Warriors and one episode of I think The Abominable Snowmen.
Many fans remember this . . . .
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Oct 21, 2015 23:15:16 GMT
Back when I was involved in the Who networks and we sat about producing fanzines, we would come up with some wild speculations and ridiculous ideas for the upcoming series. We had no idea what the story content would be. For Remembrance of the Daleks it was stated that it was going to be filmed in black and white, that Ace would play the trumpet in a jazz club and that at some point the TARDIS would be painted pink (that may have been for another story as pink would not show in B&W) :0). Anyway, the fanzine was published and then, one of the bigger, more professional publications ran some of these wild, and frankly looney speculations citing BBC insider information! The point being that without being able to reference the original source, buyers of the reprints would take that as the truth and that would lead to 'must be true, this is a reputable magazine'. And so rumours begin.
And looking back, we sure did publish some crazy things. I once said that episodes of missing Who had been recovered on the Eastenders set. The Highlandres was found in one top cupboards of the Fowler household while episodes of the Ice Warriors was found in Dot Cotton's fridge. Just appropriate places which suited the story. There was some guy I remember just went potty with the thought of seeing these episodes, completely missing the joke. Well, it was the 90's.
Enough from me and going completely off topic.
Alan
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 22, 2015 0:24:51 GMT
There is a big difference between publishing in a fanzine back in the 1990's that Revenge of the Gargle blasters was recovered on the set of Jupiter Moon or what ever, a fanzine is seem by limited people who pay to read it.
Announcing on this forum that Good Times are coming and that my highly placed creditable sources tell me restoration is underway is a little bit more extreme, especially in the modern world by what you type in the United States can be read in Zealand or Bum F*ck Egypt in a matter of seconds is another matter.
But yes were getting off topic
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 22, 2015 9:32:32 GMT
Sure, it would place it in September, for a discovery that happened at Christmas time. There may have been a gap between the episodes returning to the UK and returning to the BBC. It's quite clear that the BBC knew The Web of Fear had been recovered in some form by 2012, the Doctor Who production team certainly did, they reintroduced the Great Intelligence knowing what would eventually happen. Since you haveposted here again Scott, Did your "sources" back then every explain to you how they got it so "wrong" about all those episodes being restored and prepared for release. You very certain of your facts back then? I'd check you have the right person there, I'm not one of the anonymous source posters or the people they were in contact with. I was in the next level up, going around analysing the information that was going out without being directly involved in the origin of the information in the first place trying to see if there was any sense in the rumours, because most were simply unfeasible in terms of timescale and quantity. The early Marco Polo rumour especially started to get big question marks over it when the official details started to come out. My facts were limited by the official information, what I produced were the sensible predictions of the what if cases rather than anything definite. There's a big difference between analysing the time frames and trying to check the validity of a rumour off of common sense checks to actually creating the rumour personally. Although you are kind of proving my point, just consider what would happen if the Omni-rumour was true. Exactly the same thing that would happened if it wasn't true. We're going to be stuck in a never ending cycle of speculation. We all wait, hope and try to debunk anything that we can firmly say isn't happening. The rumours don't help us, we can only read them and wonder "What if?"
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Post by Richard Develyn on Oct 22, 2015 12:01:30 GMT
Just FYI as this relates to what we're talking about. www.aitonline.tv/post-fire_destroys_nta_jos_zonal_stationHappened 8 months ago. This would also appear to be the address of the place where the episodes were found: Television House, Yakubu Gowon Way, P.O. Box 1347, Kaduna State I say appear - I'm assuming the place that had the fire is the place where the episodes were. Richard
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Post by Richard Marple on Oct 22, 2015 12:44:16 GMT
Back when I was involved in the Who networks and we sat about producing fanzines, we would come up with some wild speculations and ridiculous ideas for the upcoming series. We had no idea what the story content would be. For Remembrance of the Daleks it was stated that it was going to be filmed in black and white, that Ace would play the trumpet in a jazz club and that at some point the TARDIS would be painted pink (that may have been for another story as pink would not show in B&W) :0). Anyway, the fanzine was published and then, one of the bigger, more professional publications ran some of these wild, and frankly looney speculations citing BBC insider information! The point being that without being able to reference the original source, buyers of the reprints would take that as the truth and that would lead to 'must be true, this is a reputable magazine'. And so rumours begin. And looking back, we sure did publish some crazy things. I once said that episodes of missing Who had been recovered on the Eastenders set. The Highlandres was found in one top cupboards of the Fowler household while episodes of the Ice Warriors was found in Dot Cotton's fridge. Just appropriate places which suited the story. There was some guy I remember just went potty with the thought of seeing these episodes, completely missing the joke. Well, it was the 90's. Enough from me and going completely off topic. Alan Alan DWM recently had a small feature on Fan rumours, such as the Vanir helmets from Terminus being a new design for the Ice Warriors, after a photo of them was leaked. Fans assumed it was going to be another "old monster" brought back for the 20th anniversery, only to feel disappointed.
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Post by John Wall on Oct 22, 2015 12:59:32 GMT
In terms of rumours, everybody needs to remember those about Power of the Daleks only a few years ago. Just looking at the countries that bought it - not very many ! - should have been sufficient to squash it, but it ran and ran and ran.
Then, as I have also pointed out before, it needs to be noted that rumours only seem to relate to "classics" - I don't think I've ever come across rumours relating to things like the Massacre, the Smugglers or the Highlanders. Perhaps that tells us something !
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Post by Alan Jeffries on Oct 22, 2015 15:41:00 GMT
And that was my point. It doesn't take that much of a push to get a rumour started, the leap from fanzine to more credible magazines is not that great. And once that particular genie is out of the bottle, well, we all know where that ends up.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 22, 2015 21:21:19 GMT
The Omni Rumor was way out of control especially on Outpost Gallifrey and Planet Mondas, that is for sure, but I do know what I read here and was read by others at the time.
Biggest difference between here in Outpost Gallifrey or Planet Mondas was that people were posting under handles in those places but posted under real names here
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Post by John Andersen on Oct 22, 2015 22:15:05 GMT
The Omni Rumor was way out of control especially on Outpost Gallifrey and Planet Mondas, that is for sure, but I do know what I read here and was read by others at the time. Biggest difference between here in Outpost Gallifrey or Planet Mondas was that people were posting under handles in those places but posted under real names here What made matters worse, it was on the news on television around the Anniversary where they were saying Morris found 100 lost episodes of Doctor Who. Is there a Doctor Who fan that didn't see that? Talk about getting everybody's hopes up for a big letdown.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 22, 2015 22:26:27 GMT
Which is why when my sources at the BBC told me in Oct 2013 not to "expect anything more" I believed them (having known them on and off for 17 plus years now) and added to my frustrations seeing posts by people quoting "Highly Places Sources". So where are all these people now and what happened to these "highly placed sources", I just wonder some times when I see certain things posted here. It triggers memories and hopes I have had to see some of these since 1981 . . .
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Post by lousingh on Oct 22, 2015 23:07:40 GMT
Since you haveposted here again Scott, Did your "sources" back then every explain to you how they got it so "wrong" about all those episodes being restored and prepared for release. You very certain of your facts back then? Once it was apparent that there were leaks, this could have been the disinformation to smoke out the people who were leaking. Tell just one person a piece of false information, and if that information reaches the public, you have found the problem. When people were saying that The Evil of the Daleks was in pristine condition and that The Abominable Snowmen had water damage, that was too detailed to not be slightly suspicious. Giving those bits to somebody could have been disinformation to find a leak. On the leaks: absolutely. For those who are old enough, do you remember the uproar over the last story of season 21 ostensibly being "The Doctor's Wife"? It's an object lesson all of us who follow rumours of any sort should remember. Aside: If you assume that Susan is actually the Doctor's grand-daughter, the Doctor having a wife is hardly outlandish. And given how bad "The Twin Dilemma" was, a super-retcon story like "The Doctor's Wife" might have been preferable.
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Post by Robert Lia on Oct 23, 2015 0:05:07 GMT
I can just imagine The Rani later being exposed as The Doctors wife, The Monk as his son and The Inquisitor as the mother of Susan. . . .
no wonder The Doctor stole a TARDIS and beat feat
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Post by scotttelfer on Oct 23, 2015 11:46:07 GMT
Which is why when my sources at the BBC told me in Oct 2013 not to "expect anything more" I believed them (having known them on and off for 17 plus years now) and added to my frustrations seeing posts by people quoting "Highly Places Sources". So where are all these people now and what happened to these "highly placed sources", I just wonder some times when I see certain things posted here. It triggers memories and hopes I have had to see some of these since 1981 . . . The problem is they were sworn to secrecy under threat of being sued for millions. So no official denial would be taken seriously and the rumours could run rampant. Welcome to the internet, where you can say almost anything without repercussions (other than some annoying some supposedly very "angry" people who really just like to moan about everything).
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