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Post by LanceM on Jan 23, 2005 23:59:51 GMT
"Im still looking for Macra...... but all leads have been exausted so far... im convinced that if it ever turns up it will have a short film about speedboat racing and ice sculptures in japan stuck on the front of it , as thats what screened in the school hall before it...(well the first episode at least!)
Personally ild LOVE to see a list of all BBC junking dates and episodes for one obvious reason.... if already recovered episodes are on the list, then the other unrecovered episodes junked on the same day may have a greater chance of also surviving
for example what if the recovered Evil of the Daleks 2 and Faceless ones 3 were junked at the same time as say a complete Marco polo? would this indicate that Marco survived as well? . it would be a valuable investigation tool
and may point the finger at which BBc facillity the most recovered episodes have been sourced from"
Quote By Neil Lambess
True, and if someone could search further they might uncover Macra Terror or the rumored episode of Marco Polo (Roof of the World) that a fan supposedly saw at a New Zealand Jumble sale. Anybody have any ideas here?
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Post by Fatso the wombat on Jan 24, 2005 0:23:58 GMT
"the rumored episode of Marco Polo (Roof of the World) that a fan supposedly saw at a New Zealand Jumble sale"
Do you have any further info on this? I've not heard this one before...
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 24, 2005 1:38:16 GMT
Paperwork at the NZBC says The Macra Terror films prints were destroyed on 27 June 1974. Fact. And by destroyed this means running the films through a band saw. Fact. A sworn affadavit is signed for all destructions. This is sent to the BBC to confirm their destruction instructions had been carried out. Fact. The bits of film were taken to a rubbish tip. Fact. The only refuse site open during 1974 was sealed up in 1975, and is now a sports recreation ground! Fact. So unless someone was able to 'steal' the films before the band saw got them, then whoever was responsible for destroying the films would have put their jobs on the line by signing an affadavit that the films were now mulch. Fact. Conclusion: it is therefore highly unlikely The Macra Terror exists.  Jon Preddle |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Jan 24, 2005 3:17:50 GMT
Lance, I see you've been doing a lot of postings here!
I'm intrigued to know what country you are in and your age!
cheers
Jon Preddle
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Post by Wright Blan on Jan 24, 2005 3:25:15 GMT
Paperwork at the NZBC says The Macra Terror films prints were destroyed on 27 June 1974. Fact. And by destroyed this means running the films through a band saw. Fact. A sworn affadavit is signed for all destructions. This is sent to the BBC to confirm their destruction instructions had been carried out. Fact. The bits of film were taken to a rubbish tip. Fact. The only refuse site open during 1974 was sealed up in 1975, and is now a sports recreation ground! Fact. So unless someone was able to 'steal' the films before the band saw got them, then whoever was responsible for destroying the films would have put their jobs on the line by signing an affadavit that the films were now mulch. Fact. Conclusion: it is therefore highly unlikely The Macra Terror exists. Jon Preddle At least not in New Zealand, but considering that they've found certain Hollywood films in various locations around the world, I'm not giving up hope yet. Edison's TEXTFrankenstein TEXT turned up a year or two ago in Pennesylvania. |
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Post by ethantyler on Jan 24, 2005 12:35:47 GMT
I always find threads that ask if certain episodes exist in certain countries because if we knew whether the episodes existed, they would most likely not be missing or we'd know about a hoarder.
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Post by LanceM on Jan 25, 2005 1:27:13 GMT
Jon,
I currently Live in the United States, and I am 18 years old. Suprised?
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Post by Lance M on Jan 31, 2005 15:46:43 GMT
As fans to try not to annoy peolle who misht have some missing episoeds maybe a request to the BBC of a manuscript of when and where the missing episodes were either lost or juncked. Then the fans might be able to take a more active role in episode recovery.
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Post by Robbo on Jan 31, 2005 19:20:10 GMT
As fans to try not to annoy peolle who misht have some missing episoeds maybe a request to the BBC of a manuscript of when and where the missing episodes were either lost or juncked. Then the fans might be able to take a more active role in episode recovery. I thought the legal age for drinking in the USA was 21? Unless the typos were just down to tiredness maybe  Only joking of course! |
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Post by Stephen Neve on Feb 1, 2005 14:28:49 GMT
Paperwork at the NZBC says The Macra Terror films prints were destroyed on 27 June 1974. Fact. And by destroyed this means running the films through a band saw. Fact. A sworn affadavit is signed for all destructions. This is sent to the BBC to confirm their destruction instructions had been carried out. Fact. The bits of film were taken to a rubbish tip. Fact. The only refuse site open during 1974 was sealed up in 1975, and is now a sports recreation ground! Fact. So unless someone was able to 'steal' the films before the band saw got them, then whoever was responsible for destroying the films would have put their jobs on the line by signing an affadavit that the films were now mulch. Fact. Conclusion: it is therefore highly unlikely The Macra Terror exists. Jon Preddle Not totally convinced that Macra Terror is not in New Zealand beacuse of paperwork saying it had been destroyed. Snowmen 2, Faceless ones 3, Evil 2, Masterplan 2 etc have all probally have been listed by the BBC as destroyed, yet they have all turned up in private hands. Not everybody is honest and I think it is highly likely that some people nicked episodes from NZBC and have ended up in private hands. If you were working for a TV station and they asked you to destroy something and you decided to keep it, how would they know you have it. All you do is sign the paperwork saying its destroyed and hey presto!, you've got away with it, you take it home keep it in a safe place and nobody will know about it, FACT ain't going to kick your door in and say, you stole something from the station over an episode that dosen't officialy exist, as you get older you might even forget you had such material untill about forty years later someone comes along and finds it. Don't be too discorouaged by the paperwork Jon, I hope you keep looking for the Macra Terror, and who's know, you could make a lot of people happy. Happy Hunting |
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Post by Richard Bignell on Feb 1, 2005 16:55:46 GMT
Not totally convinced that Macra Terror is not in New Zealand beacuse of paperwork saying it had been destroyed. If you refuse to believe such paperwork, then you're likely to spend your life chasing shadows. Your "probably" there says it all. You're keen to make assumptions about what may or may not appear on paperwork that you've never seen and yet you're not willing to accept that NZ's copies of The Macra Terror have been destroyed by people who has done the research and who have uncovered very solid details relating to episodes that were in the hands of the NZBC. BBC Enterprises records no doubt would reveal that their telerecording negatives of various episodes were destroyed, but the copies that have been recovered have been positive film prints, of which several would have been made over time. Destroyed negatives have never been recovered. Enthusiasm is great, but refusing to accept good evidence when it's presented and choosing to continually accept wildly hypothetical if, buts and maybes really won't help to recover anything! Richard |
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Post by Jon Preddle on Feb 1, 2005 20:10:02 GMT
As much as it pains me to say so, it's unlikely the NZ prints of The Macra Terror were 'saved' from destruction. The man who operated the bandsaw was in his 50s. So, if he was going to 'steal' something for his own purposes, it would more likely to have been episodes of Z Cars or a western, rather than a cheap kids SF series! And also, to bother stealing something for his 'collection' would mean he'd have to have equipment to screen the films. Home 16mm projectors weren't exactly cheap in those days!
So while I can quite comfortably live with the fact I'll never see Macra Terror again, at least I can honestly say I did see it - back in 1970, when I was 6. The telesnap reconstructions are the next best thing.
Jon
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Post by Stephen Neve on Feb 2, 2005 10:03:09 GMT
If you refuse to believe such paperwork, then you're likely to spend your life chasing shadows. Your "probably" there says it all. You're keen to make assumptions about what may or may not appear on paperwork that you've never seen and yet you're not willing to accept that NZ's copies of The Macra Terror have been destroyed by people who has done the research and who have uncovered very solid details relating to episodes that were in the hands of the NZBC. BBC Enterprises records no doubt would reveal that their telerecording negatives of various episodes were destroyed, but the copies that have been recovered have been positive film prints, of which several would have been made over time. Destroyed negatives have never been recovered. Enthusiasm is great, but refusing to accept good evidence when it's presented and choosing to continually accept wildly hypothetical if, buts and maybes really won't help to recover anything! Richard But the whole point is Richard, people DID nick episodes. Why is New Zealeand suddenly exempt. The EVIDENCE says Macra Terror is destroyed, but from episode recoverys in other places it shows that episodes supposedly destroyed found their way out of the Stations either accidently or Dishonestly and contadicts paperwork. I don't know what the difference between a negative and a positive is, but can you explain to me Richard how about a dozen episodes have been found in private hands in the UK, when if we go by the documentation they shoulden't be there, they had been destroyed. Why is it so hard to except that maybe an episode of Macra somehow found its way into private hands from New Zealand Broadcasting Corporation, the paperwork says it has been destroyed. So what!, it may have been, but past experiences says that is not 100% reliable. |
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Post by Neil Lambess on Feb 2, 2005 13:11:58 GMT
with apologies to Jon and Richard in advance....(whose research i greatly admire) but....
to paraphrase Troughton, "paperwork ,my dear Zoe, merely allows one to be wrong with authority"
at least two episodes of Macra Terror screened at a school in masterton around late 74 to 75. seeing it with my own eyes was what led me to believe that missing episodes existed in new zealand in the first place. Having been told by a NZBC employee how stuff went "walkies" Im pretty sure that what I saw was ex NZBC and not a private collectors "import".
DONT forget Jon you were the one who told me the lion couldnt possibly exist because the paperwork showed it had never screened here!
wether it still exists NOW is a different story......
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Post by Stephen Neve on Feb 2, 2005 13:20:01 GMT
with apologies to Jon and Richard in advance....(whose research i greatly admire) but.... to paraphrase Troughton, "paperwork ,my dear Zoe, merely allows one to be wrong with authority" at least two episodes of Macra Terror screened at a school in masterton around late 74 to 75. seeing it with my own eyes was what led me to believe that missing episodes existed in new zealand in the first place. Having been told by a NZBC employee how stuff went "walkies" Im pretty sure that what I saw was ex NZBC and not a private collectors "import". DONT forget Jon you were the one who told me the lion couldnt possibly exist because the paperwork showed it had never screened here! wether it still exists NOW is a different story...... Well said Neil. It would be interesting to know in what year the Macra Terror is listed as destroyed, if its before 1975 then we know it somkehow escaped destruction. |
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