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Post by Jaspal Cheema on May 4, 2014 18:28:47 GMT
I think like menace it could surprise you Greg ! The idea itself is pure genius  And i have listened to Audio and loose cannons version. I do hope that it one day turns up....... Maybe I will give it a thorough reassessing then! The smugglers was a Hartnell I always overlooked, but after sinking into the audio a few times I now regard it as a first league story. Who knows, perhaps that will happen with the savages Agree with you there Greg,it's a fantastic story and has tremendous energy.If it's ever found I'm sure it will have a thorough re-appraisal like EOTW! |
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Post by barryb on May 4, 2014 22:42:11 GMT
I feel Season 3 has always been underrated. Mission sets the scene wonderfully for the excellent Dalek's Masterplan, both of which are excellent. The Massacre is superb, with a great story. The gunfighters and The Myth Makers again very good stories. It is a tough choice but I would have to go for DMP, but any number of those stories is worthy of the vote.
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Post by James Mcgrath on May 4, 2014 23:27:39 GMT
I'm surprised that there aren't any votes for The Massacre yet. That would be my second choice after Master plan.
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Post by Marty Schultz on May 5, 2014 4:06:56 GMT
I just voted for the Massacre (before reading the above) - great story - great acting - bizarre ending in the Target book. If ever rediscovered - I see this being re-evaluated much like Enemy of the World. A classic that seems to get overlooked next to the juggernaut of Masterplan.
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Post by andyeves on May 5, 2014 6:13:01 GMT
Savages, But Masterplan a close 2nd ! Good choice ... but don't forget to actually register your vote though as Savages is currently showing "nul points" |
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Post by Paul Edwards on May 5, 2014 10:27:52 GMT
Gee, this is a good season. Even some of the stories that might be considered weaker, such as "The Ark" are actually quite good in their own right. Agree with the earlier comment that this is probably the best season of the Hartnells, and it's a shame so much of it is missing. If anything, there's a theme to this season: appearances may be deceptive. Think about the aliens in G4 and The Savages, the Abbott in the Massacre perhaps, the relationships between the Monoids and humans in the Ark (and even a Trojan Horse in the Myth Makers if you want to stretch it a bit). I've opted for The Savages, but tossed up between that and Galaxy 4. I know this story gets a fair bit of stick from a lot of people, but I've watched the recon and I find it quite a gripping story. It contains characters that are identifiable, a reasonable amount of character growth (particularly from one of the guards), a plot line that has a reasonable twist (even leaving aside the reverse race issue), and to a large extent some good reflection on ways of life, and questions around whether the end justifies the means (not that I'd suggest this be a 100 minute primer for the next leader of a country!). It's written in a way that provides an opportunity for empathy with both the Elders and the Savages, and the situation is in many respects full of lovely shades of grey. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I don't know that these qualities are appreciated by lots in fandom. Steven gets a funny send-off (in that it's sudden), not the best departure for a companion, but certainly not the worst. And importantly there's lots of running up and down in corridors, with companions getting cut off from each other and the Doctor. The Doctor seems to enjoy having his ego stroked by Jano and the others. Ian Stuart Black doesn't feel the need to explain the back story in any great detail, and this is one of the strongest positives for me. It enhances the sense of mystery; no need to identify the planet, the location, or even the back story apart from the upshot. When some of the citizens of the city question too much, they are taken away, hinting at some kind of dictatorship, but only hinting. The fact that the Elders are sophisticated enough to have observed the Doctor by far provides another little mystery: just who are these guys? And like with other parts of the back story, there is no explanation, no need for the explanation, and, one feels, if the explanation had been provided it would have been a let down. Less is more (except when it comes to ripping the life force from the savages). And it's for these reasons it gets my vote. (And looking back on it, probably why I also like Galaxy 4.) The inclusion of the 8mm fragments in all of their flickering mystery (there's that word again) give this story a strangely ephemeral feel that suits the story (and a strong sense of sadness that the episodes are gone. This I find to be especially true in the 8mm fragment where Steven and Dodo enter the city from the outside -- haunting in its elusiveness). Sorry for dribbling on so much, but I really like this story, and honestly don't get why people mark it down. Would be interested to hear throughts from both sides of the fence. Cheers, Paul PS And now that I've actually read the thread, I see that there *is* some love for this story after all |
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Post by Matthew Kurth on May 5, 2014 13:28:14 GMT
Steven gets a funny send-off (in that it's sudden), not the best departure for a companion, but certainly not the worst. No, they saved that for poor Dodo. |
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Post by garysrothwellx on May 5, 2014 16:49:07 GMT
My favourite, definitely Celestial Toymaker - probably the one I've most listened to on audio, and always keeps me intrigued as to what's happening. Not sure if its been mentioned before, yes, its a bit like an episode of Crystal Maze where you want to scream at the TV what the answer so obviously is, but I used to love that. Second probably Myth Makers, having given it a recent second listen.
Given a lot of love for Massacre i need to re-visit, as even after 2-3 listens, still find it a bit of a chore...
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Post by stephenwit1 on May 5, 2014 17:44:28 GMT
Just watch THE SAVAGES RECON
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Post by eddie evans on May 5, 2014 20:44:15 GMT
im watching the gunfighters for the first time in years.i forgot how bad it is.god its bad very bad
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Post by andyeves on May 5, 2014 21:09:50 GMT
No votes for the gunfighters. Sanity has prevailed thus far You spoke too soon! |
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Post by Brad Phipps on May 5, 2014 23:21:00 GMT
I've always had a soft spot for Mission to the Unknown, despite never really seen it or likely ever will.
Master Plan is a great romp. The Savages is low key but one I'd really like to see. I've always liked The Ark and The Myth Makers sounds entertaining so will wouldn't mind seeing that.
The rest of the season doesn't register for me.
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Post by Mark Vanderlinde-Abernathy on May 6, 2014 0:52:27 GMT
No votes for the gunfighters. Sanity has prevailed thus far You spoke too soon! I liked the Gunfighters. I found it clever writing. I don't know why so many grimace at it. |
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Post by Greg H on May 6, 2014 22:54:28 GMT
No votes for the gunfighters. Sanity has prevailed thus far You spoke too soon! There's a joker in every pack  Seriously though, I know some other people like that story, and that's their prerogative, but the whole story gives me a headache  |
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Post by PaulF on May 7, 2014 0:39:52 GMT
I'm going for DMP because of the sheer fact that it is epic!
However, I also have a great love for Savages, Ark, War Machines and Massacre!
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And i have listened to Audio and loose cannons version. I do hope that it one day turns up.......
