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Post by Richard Bignell on Jan 21, 2014 21:03:22 GMT
The current BBC charter does not allow them to pay for returned material. It expires on December 31, 2016 You don't really think that's going to change after that date, do you? |
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Post by malcolmostlere on Jan 21, 2014 21:40:29 GMT
The current BBC charter does not allow them to pay for returned material. It expires on December 31, 2016 Well BBC enterprises have more wriggle room. And a good lawyer might be able to find a loop hole. Eg Pay for 40 years of storage at £50 a year.....per film can. |
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Post by craigmcewan on Jan 21, 2014 23:51:51 GMT
There's the small matter of copyright to consider. The material, i.e. the programme contained on the film print, will still be under BBC Copyright and is technically still their property, regardless of who finds it and how. The BBC aren't obliged to pay to get it back.
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Post by Dan S on Jan 22, 2014 0:41:01 GMT
The BBC won't pay a penny because they believe it's their property already. (Which legally it is, but that's no good if they don't actually have a copy.)
Considering how much their highest paid stars get paid and how much money they spend on making new shows... obscene amounts... you'd have thought they'd be able to pay a fee for any shows which they know they can use to obtain more profit, any fee would have to be on a sliding scale depending on saleability.
Perhaps a loophole would be that the finder could be paid a fee for something else and not for the episode itself, so the Beeb wouldn't actually be paying for the episode but they'd pay a finders fee, a fee for keeping the film can safe for 40 years(if I wanted to store a film can somewhere safe like a bank vault they'd charge me a fee, they'd not do it for free would they!), travel expenses if it took extensive travelling to obtain the film, or the finder could get it restored themself and the Beeb could then pay them a restoration fee.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 5:27:36 GMT
Hopefully they at least give the finder a free copy of the DVD once they press it.  It would be sad to see someone go through all of that trouble and then have to pay the $25 to get a copy. LOL!!! I get what you are all saying...I really do. It just seems that if there was a small reward added for "finding" the episodes then a lot more of them would be found. The idea that something might be a little valuable gets people looking. Heh...maybe they should stage an episode of antique hunters to find one in a basement and have the appraiser on the show say it is worth $10,000. Or better yet pawn stars. I think Pawn Stars would play out something like this: customer: I got this Dr who missing episode I found in the back of my grandpa's yellow roadster Rick: That is something I haven't seen. I better call and expert. *later that day* Expert: It is the real thing and worth $10,000. Rick: Realistically how much do you want? customer: How about $8500? Rick: *shakes head* I still have to clean it and make the animations and put it up for auction. Plus the sharpie on the tin is restored. If you get faded sharpie on a tin you should not restore it. It is worth more with faded sharpie. I can give you $500. customer: How about $550 Rick: This is Vegas so how about we flip a coin for that $50? |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 22, 2014 11:28:13 GMT
The current BBC charter does not allow them to pay for returned material. It expires on December 31, 2016 That will be why the reward fee was a Dalek prop then. They can't hand over money, but they can hand over goods with an appropriate value (look at the values some of these screen used props get in those auctions that go on). |
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Post by simonashby on Jan 22, 2014 15:10:30 GMT
Hopefully they at least give the finder a free copy of the DVD once they press it. It would be sad to see someone go through all of that trouble and then have to pay the $25 to get a copy. LOL!!! I get what you are all saying...I really do. It just seems that if there was a small reward added for "finding" the episodes then a lot more of them would be found. The idea that something might be a little valuable gets people looking. Heh...maybe they should stage an episode of antique hunters to find one in a basement and have the appraiser on the show say it is worth $10,000. Or better yet pawn stars. People have been given digital copies and the original film back, which could then be sold on Ebay for a grand or so. That's more or less it. No need to offer cash. If you have a campaign about missing episodes, if someone has some film cans lying about/recall seeing some/heard a relative has some etc., the average person will look and drop the BBC or whoever an email. It's only natural to check if you have something. I can't see what cash is going to do. The only people I can see if affecting are hoarders, but we don't have any evidence that such people exist with any missing DW. All returns have been from people who didn't realise what they had was missing, and without too much trouble lending it in to be copied. I really don't think cash will have any effect. |
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Post by simonashby on Jan 22, 2014 15:10:52 GMT
The current BBC charter does not allow them to pay for returned material. It expires on December 31, 2016 That will be why the reward fee was a Dalek prop then. They can't hand over money, but they can hand over goods with an appropriate value (look at the values some of these screen used props get in those auctions that go on). That was Ian Levine. Not the BBC. |
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 22, 2014 19:00:53 GMT
That will be why the reward fee was a Dalek prop then. They can't hand over money, but they can hand over goods with an appropriate value (look at the values some of these screen used props get in those auctions that go on). That was Ian Levine. Not the BBC.
Actually it was Blue Peter, but point taken (although they do sort of count as the BBC, don't they?)
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Post by malcolmostlere on Jan 22, 2014 19:15:22 GMT
There's the small matter of copyright to consider. The material, i.e. the programme contained on the film print, will still be under BBC Copyright and is technically still their property, regardless of who finds it and how. The BBC aren't obliged to pay to get it back. If you lose your dog, it is still your property. That does not stop you offering a reward for its Return or paying even more than the reward offerred to reimburse the finder for any vets or pet food bills they have incurred. I stress that I do not myself think the BBC should pay for returns of Dr Who. But whether or not the BBC hold the copyright is neither here nor there regarding them offering a reward for returns. |
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Post by malcolmostlere on Jan 22, 2014 19:20:44 GMT
Now a thought does occurs when does copyright run out for say Marco Polo. Is it 50 years After transmission ?
If so would that mean someone who has a copy in their sock draw could then sell it or put out their own DVD ?
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Post by scotttelfer on Jan 22, 2014 19:31:45 GMT
Now a thought does occurs when does copyright run out for say Marco Polo. Is it 50 years After transmission ? If so would that mean someone who has a copy in their sock draw could then sell it or put out their own DVD ?
Technically yes, but the BBC still hold the copyright for Doctor Who in general and for the TARDIS so there would still be issues.
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 22, 2014 19:32:15 GMT
No to payments ! This would start a bad thing. My concern is if there is some out there and there is a stalemate over cash ! Then these cans will just keep degrading while Rome Burns !!!
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Post by shellyharman67 on Jan 22, 2014 19:33:23 GMT
Now a thought does occurs when does copyright run out for say Marco Polo. Is it 50 years After transmission ? If so would that mean someone who has a copy in their sock draw could then sell it or put out their own DVD ?
Technically yes, but the BBC still hold the copyright for Doctor Who in general and for the TARDIS so there would still be issues.
Its a brand thing ! So there would be no way they could sell DVDS ! |
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Post by malcolmostlere on Jan 22, 2014 19:42:51 GMT
Well playing devils advocate, you could cgi out the tardis replace it with something else. do new credits &call the programme something else and dub out any mention of tardis. At £ 20 quid a pop worldwide sales would give you a more than the 0£ you would get from simply giving it back to the BBC.........
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It would be sad to see someone go through all of that trouble and then have to pay the $25 to get a copy. LOL!!!